• WittyProfileName2 [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    pays for the children of non-working people (there’s a shitload of subsidies going into their pockets),

    Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren’t employed?

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      Do children deserve to starve because their parents aren’t employed?

      Because they don’t want to work. There’s enough jobs.

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          Why the American flag. How do you know I’m speaking about US?

          Get a grip.

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            Because the US is one of the best examples of your desire to see the children of poor and unemployed people starve?

            “G-g-g-get a grip, I don’t like my shitty views being challenged and I can’t actually defend them”

            Mate if you’re going to post dumb shit you probably should have a better response than that.

            I’m assuming you’re not actually very dedicated to the idea of starving children, that’s just something you’ve heard and parroted because your own economic status is precarious

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              because your own economic status is precarious

              So you pretty much called me dumb because I’m poor?

              And also, that since you don’t agree with my economic views, Im just “brainwashed”? Seriously? That’s your argument? Seriously, go see the world, every country that actually applied your way of thinking ended up having a lot more children starving than the ones who apply my views.

              State shouldn’t be taxing workers because some morons who decided to have children when they’re not supposed to don’t want to go work for 7$ a hour. Get a fucking grip and grow up “mate”

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                You’re poor because you’re one or two crippling events away from poverty, you’re dumb because you’re choosing to be.

                I’ve been to the US and the level of poverty is horrific. Meanwhile China has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty.

                The idea of “brainwashing” came from returned American POWs who learned that they were getting a shitty deal from American capitalists who profiteered while the soldiers were firebombing Asia, so no, I don’t think you’re brainwashed. I think you’re a classic middle-class westerner attacking the poor because you see yourself as part of the actual wealthy class even if you’re not. You might have to examine why you’re not on $7 an hour, or if you were born unlucky, $2 a day.

                Finally we see the true LIB emerge - eugenicist takes on how poor people shouldn’t have children, and then how their children (who didn’t actually consent to be born) should be punished for that

                Cool viewpoints child starver

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        people deserve to starve in an age of plenty

        this pigbrained subhuman cruelty betrays you as an american citizen, thank god your shithole is in decline lol you should all rot and die there for the good of the world

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          Can you maybe not see entire groups as the same?

          There are Americans that routinely get sent to jail protesting/fighting to change America for the better every day. There are those of us in this very thread that agree with you calling the other commentor a pigbrained subhuman. The strict adherence to an absolutely shit narrative given to them by Reich Wing Media disgusts a large portion of our population.

          It’s not entirely our fault that propaganda is so effective at keeping the absolute worst possible people in office and rotting the brains of our neighbors. The blame rests on the oligarchs and ultra wealthy assholes looking to divide and conquer, turning all of us against each other while they laugh all the way to their 3rd private island…

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          I only had to read this one comment to know that you’re a tankie who probably worships every little thing the Kremlin and the CCP say.

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          America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

          Then again, the destabilization of the U.S. is well under way and our collapse is inevitable so I guess disputing it is a moot point.

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            America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

            Well technically the continuation of america is more destructive than its inevitable decline, since america has a very awful pattern of killing millions of people for the enrichment of its elite, via means such as invasions, installing genocidal puppet leaders, and corporate extraction. The worst part is that america often destroys countries just as their people are on the brink of greater liberation.

            Notable examples include:

            Installing the Taliban in Afghanistan to oppose a Socialist government then destroying it

            Destroying Iraq for Oil

            Helping quash the Protocommunist Taiping Rebellion in China

            The current blockade of Cuba

            The current blockade of North Korea

            The murder of socialist president Salvador Allende in Chile and the installation of Pinochet, a neoliberal dictator

            The Contras

            Sending $3 billion a year to isntreal for the mass killing of Palestinians

            The genocide of first nations peoples on the North American continent itself

            Assassinating Fred Hampton and the political killings of the Black Panther Party

            Meddling in the affairs of practically every single third world country on Earth

            Fucking Monsanto and their land grabbing bullshit

            It is also probably the most inhumane of the corrupt capitalist powers as revealed in the details of these genocidal ventures either by using its own weapons or by proxy.

            As such, the death of america would enable the possibility of a flourishing of socialist nations without the threat of the worlds most powerful military brought to full bear against their people for daring to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

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              …Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse. Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it, for example.

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                Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it

                That opinion has no basis in reality, there’s one country that has used nuclear weapons aggressively and it’s isn’t russia

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                Americans and projection, name a better duo.

                China has a no first nuclear use policy, and the USSR/Russia used to but dropped it down to threats to territorial integrity.

                The United States has refused to adopt a no first use policy and says that it “reserves the right to use” nuclear weapons first in the case of conflict.

                Both NATO and a number of its member states have repeatedly rejected calls for adopting a NFU policy, as during the lifetime of the Soviet Union a pre-emptive nuclear strike was commonly argued as a key option to afford NATO a credible nuclear deterrent, compensating for the overwhelming conventional weapon superiority enjoyed by the Soviet Army in Eurasia.

                The US has also repeatedly planned for first strikes and escalated tensions: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/10/jfks-first-strike-plan/376432/

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                Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse.

                Probably not, China is on record, better than the United States in that it does not destabilize burgeoning socialist governments nor engage in one-sided business deals with third world nations to cripple them with debt like how the west does in Africa. Furthermore, they have no historical precedent of engaging in genocidal colonialist ventures in countries halfway around the world from them. If China were top dog they would just be free to expand mutually beneficial international relations at a greater rate then they are doing now without fear of america and its allies nuking them for stepping out of line.

                Russia, on the other hand, is truly a failed state that is also in decline. They have a dogshit military that can’t even take a small pissant nation headed by a film star right on its border. It is very unlikely that Russia, in its current form, will be able to reach the same level of economic and military domination that america currently possesses.

                Fundamentally, one of the other reasons why China and Russia are unlikely to do the same things is because they are not settler-colonial nations born from genocide. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, invading a militarily inferior nation, slaughtering every single one of the people there, plundering its resources, and settling the land for the sake of “Personal Freedom” (the American Dream), is a unique historical pattern that the very idea of america as a nation is contingent on.

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            America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

            This is what every imperial power says about itself

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        Capitalism by its nature has an interest in keeping part of the working class unemployed. Look up “reserve army of labor”.