• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee
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    America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

    Then again, the destabilization of the U.S. is well under way and our collapse is inevitable so I guess disputing it is a moot point.

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      America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

      Well technically the continuation of america is more destructive than its inevitable decline, since america has a very awful pattern of killing millions of people for the enrichment of its elite, via means such as invasions, installing genocidal puppet leaders, and corporate extraction. The worst part is that america often destroys countries just as their people are on the brink of greater liberation.

      Notable examples include:

      Installing the Taliban in Afghanistan to oppose a Socialist government then destroying it

      Destroying Iraq for Oil

      Helping quash the Protocommunist Taiping Rebellion in China

      The current blockade of Cuba

      The current blockade of North Korea

      The murder of socialist president Salvador Allende in Chile and the installation of Pinochet, a neoliberal dictator

      The Contras

      Sending $3 billion a year to isntreal for the mass killing of Palestinians

      The genocide of first nations peoples on the North American continent itself

      Assassinating Fred Hampton and the political killings of the Black Panther Party

      Meddling in the affairs of practically every single third world country on Earth

      Fucking Monsanto and their land grabbing bullshit

      It is also probably the most inhumane of the corrupt capitalist powers as revealed in the details of these genocidal ventures either by using its own weapons or by proxy.

      As such, the death of america would enable the possibility of a flourishing of socialist nations without the threat of the worlds most powerful military brought to full bear against their people for daring to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

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        1 year ago

        …Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse. Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it, for example.

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          Russia wouldn’t hesitate to nuke countries that wouldn’t play ball with it

          That opinion has no basis in reality, there’s one country that has used nuclear weapons aggressively and it’s isn’t russia

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          Americans and projection, name a better duo.

          China has a no first nuclear use policy, and the USSR/Russia used to but dropped it down to threats to territorial integrity.

          The United States has refused to adopt a no first use policy and says that it “reserves the right to use” nuclear weapons first in the case of conflict.

          Both NATO and a number of its member states have repeatedly rejected calls for adopting a NFU policy, as during the lifetime of the Soviet Union a pre-emptive nuclear strike was commonly argued as a key option to afford NATO a credible nuclear deterrent, compensating for the overwhelming conventional weapon superiority enjoyed by the Soviet Army in Eurasia.

          The US has also repeatedly planned for first strikes and escalated tensions: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/10/jfks-first-strike-plan/376432/

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          Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse.

          Probably not, China is on record, better than the United States in that it does not destabilize burgeoning socialist governments nor engage in one-sided business deals with third world nations to cripple them with debt like how the west does in Africa. Furthermore, they have no historical precedent of engaging in genocidal colonialist ventures in countries halfway around the world from them. If China were top dog they would just be free to expand mutually beneficial international relations at a greater rate then they are doing now without fear of america and its allies nuking them for stepping out of line.

          Russia, on the other hand, is truly a failed state that is also in decline. They have a dogshit military that can’t even take a small pissant nation headed by a film star right on its border. It is very unlikely that Russia, in its current form, will be able to reach the same level of economic and military domination that america currently possesses.

          Fundamentally, one of the other reasons why China and Russia are unlikely to do the same things is because they are not settler-colonial nations born from genocide. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, invading a militarily inferior nation, slaughtering every single one of the people there, plundering its resources, and settling the land for the sake of “Personal Freedom” (the American Dream), is a unique historical pattern that the very idea of america as a nation is contingent on.

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      America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

      This is what every imperial power says about itself