What if you take it twice?!
shrooms does this too
Ibogaine. Yes it works to cure adictions, and yes it can kill you due to impacts on the heart. Fully healthy people with no known heart conditions do drop dead occasionally while using Ibogain. Also you might have the worst trip of your life, like dragged down by a demon into hell style, or you might see the blessed virgin and be bathed in rainbows and forgiveness and come out a new person. You never know.
Generally more people have positive experiences and outcomes than negative in a clinical/therapeutic setting. Is it worth the risk? That’s up to you.
In-depth scientific review of Ibogaine and cardiac risk: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4382526/
Erowid experience vault: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Ibogaine.shtml
The drug is Ibogaine. It’s less mystery more red tape and anecdotal evidence. People swear by it (anecdotal) but the heart issues (red tape) led to it being illegal.
Thank you for the TLDR. So tired of clickbait.
From Wikipedia:
Ibogaine exhibits complex pharmacology by interacting with multiple neurotransmitter systems, notably affecting opioid, serotonin, sigma, and NMDA receptors, while its metabolite noribogaine primarily acts as a serotonin reuptake inhibitor and κ-opioid receptor agonist.
Yeah, not surprised it kills addictions to other drugs. It’s all of them at once. A one-stop shop. The fucking Walmart Supercenter of psychoactive compounds.
It’s not addictive in itself
Some people swear by it, but I would take it with a grain of salt…
Also you can have heart problems with it, that’s why it should be taken under administration and monitoring
Every time I quit drinking I remember all the reasons I drank in the first place.
While I can agree with the sentiment (we’re living in an unforgiving world), I also believe it’s a big matter of perspective. There is good in the world, and losing sight of it will easily land you on the highway to rumination. So as helpful as these drugs are for the biological addiction, the psychological one is a different yet vital chapter of a healthy mind (which can also be assisted by drugs).
I think something like “not finding it enough”, is a better way to understand it than “losing sight of it”
Why I feel this way is that people I know who have both struggled with and it failed to overcome their habits, often know and can see what led them down their paths. You can see something, and still not hold/have/enjoy/feel, etc which I think it’s important when having two conversations about the topic with people who could send would be more empathetic if they could connect to the situation more. Just seems, to me anyways, to get a better result.
I’m in no way disagreeing with you
Every time I think about smoking, I remember all the reasons I wanted to quit
Nice so there’s no reason I shouldn’t try heroin now!
I guarantee I’ll think you’re cooler if you do some heroin
Okay… What’s the catch?
Apparently its pretty taxing on the heart.
tl;dw?
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Yeah ok. Even if it did work, all those underlying problems people are self medicating for are still gonna be there.
First not everyone who’s addicted is self medicating. Second even if they are why laugh at them for something that could make their lives a little easier/better?
I think the person who you’re replying to wasn’t laughing at people with addiction problems at all, rather they were pouring scorn and skepticism on the idea that some wonder drug can fix all the problems of people who end up with drug addictions.
Let’s take homeless people for example (who are frequently people who were in the care system as children, so don’t have parents or relatives to go back and live with when money gets too tight).
All the things that I do to cope with my (much less serious) problems, like chill on the sofa on my phone, take a long bath, go for a nap on my bed, hang out with my friends at the pub, talk it all over with my wife or my dad, none of those are open to them. Sleeping rough is painful. How do you escape that?
So to expand on what @[email protected] said, if you treat the drug addiction of a homeless person on its own, you will completely and utterly fail to treat the drug addiction problem.
Sure but their premise is that addiction comes from life problems. Thats like saying “no pill can cure depression. - you’ll still have all the same problems.”
Depression is its own thing, not a reaction to life problems. Addiction is much the same. It even has hereditary components, like depression does.
In fact I would posit that a lot of homelessness is caused by drug addiction. At least as much as the other way around if not more.
Yep.
So maybe they can deal with them some healthier way then? It’s a fallacy to say that drug addiction is simply a response to underlying emotional problems. Past a certain point, addiction takes on a life of its own and causes more problems and emotional trauma than almost anything an average person ever faces.
Problems plus smoke meth > Problems
The point is that people will always go back to self medication when the underlying problems aren’t being addressed.
So meth + 0 problem = ok?
That’s why you follow them with a mallet after they take the drug
You got some mallet, bro? I’ll suck yo dink
Not everybody with a drug addiction has underlying problems beyond those caused by the addiction itself
I doubt that’s even anywhere close to the majority though.
