First not everyone who’s addicted is self medicating. Second even if they are why laugh at them for something that could make their lives a little easier/better?
I think the person who you’re replying to wasn’t laughing at people with addiction problems at all, rather they were pouring scorn and skepticism on the idea that some wonder drug can fix all the problems of people who end up with drug addictions.
Let’s take homeless people for example (who are frequently people who were in the care system as children, so don’t have parents or relatives to go back and live with when money gets too tight).
All the things that I do to cope with my (much less serious) problems, like chill on the sofa on my phone, take a long bath, go for a nap on my bed, hang out with my friends at the pub, talk it all over with my wife or my dad, none of those are open to them. Sleeping rough is painful. How do you escape that?
So to expand on what @[email protected] said, if you treat the drug addiction of a homeless person on its own, you will completely and utterly fail to treat the drug addiction problem.
Sure but their premise is that addiction comes from life problems. Thats like saying “no pill can cure depression. - you’ll still have all the same problems.”
Depression is its own thing, not a reaction to life problems. Addiction is much the same. It even has hereditary components, like depression does.
In fact I would posit that a lot of homelessness is caused by drug addiction. At least as much as the other way around if not more.
Dude, it’s very simple. Homelessness is caused by poverty.
I don’t know about your country, but here in the UK, over half of homeless people are adults who were previously in the care system. I told you this and you clearly didn’t listen: if you’re in the care system, when you hit 18 your family placement evaporates and if you don’t already earn enough to pay private sector rent, you’re homeless. I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t financially independent of my parents until I was in the second half of my twenties and it’s much harder now than it was when I was starting out. Good luck getting a job and claiming benefits if you don’t have an address.
Say after me: if you don’t have parents or family to stay with, and you can’t make rent, you’re stuffed. It pisses me off when people treat homelessness as a character defect rather than a complete failure of society to care for those who can’t cope. Fuck right off with your judgementalism.
It’s all very well you sitting on your comfy sofa declaring that they have brought it on themselves and and that if they only cut down on the narcotics they’d have enough for a nice little apartment somewhere, but your cosy little plan isn’t going anywhere on the hard pavement at 2am when some lads piss on the homeless guy’s sleeping bag because, like you, they think is his fault, because you have no fucking clue and your holier than thou moralising about how you’d definitely stay squeaky clean if you ended up on the street being kicked night after night and treated as non existent day after day is BULLSHIT.
So maybe they can deal with them some healthier way then? It’s a fallacy to say that drug addiction is simply a response to underlying emotional problems. Past a certain point, addiction takes on a life of its own and causes more problems and emotional trauma than almost anything an average person ever faces.
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Yeah ok. Even if it did work, all those underlying problems people are self medicating for are still gonna be there.
First not everyone who’s addicted is self medicating. Second even if they are why laugh at them for something that could make their lives a little easier/better?
I think the person who you’re replying to wasn’t laughing at people with addiction problems at all, rather they were pouring scorn and skepticism on the idea that some wonder drug can fix all the problems of people who end up with drug addictions.
Let’s take homeless people for example (who are frequently people who were in the care system as children, so don’t have parents or relatives to go back and live with when money gets too tight).
All the things that I do to cope with my (much less serious) problems, like chill on the sofa on my phone, take a long bath, go for a nap on my bed, hang out with my friends at the pub, talk it all over with my wife or my dad, none of those are open to them. Sleeping rough is painful. How do you escape that?
So to expand on what @[email protected] said, if you treat the drug addiction of a homeless person on its own, you will completely and utterly fail to treat the drug addiction problem.
Sure but their premise is that addiction comes from life problems. Thats like saying “no pill can cure depression. - you’ll still have all the same problems.”
Depression is its own thing, not a reaction to life problems. Addiction is much the same. It even has hereditary components, like depression does.
In fact I would posit that a lot of homelessness is caused by drug addiction. At least as much as the other way around if not more.
Dude, it’s very simple. Homelessness is caused by poverty.
I don’t know about your country, but here in the UK, over half of homeless people are adults who were previously in the care system. I told you this and you clearly didn’t listen: if you’re in the care system, when you hit 18 your family placement evaporates and if you don’t already earn enough to pay private sector rent, you’re homeless. I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t financially independent of my parents until I was in the second half of my twenties and it’s much harder now than it was when I was starting out. Good luck getting a job and claiming benefits if you don’t have an address.
Say after me: if you don’t have parents or family to stay with, and you can’t make rent, you’re stuffed. It pisses me off when people treat homelessness as a character defect rather than a complete failure of society to care for those who can’t cope. Fuck right off with your judgementalism.
It’s all very well you sitting on your comfy sofa declaring that they have brought it on themselves and and that if they only cut down on the narcotics they’d have enough for a nice little apartment somewhere, but your cosy little plan isn’t going anywhere on the hard pavement at 2am when some lads piss on the homeless guy’s sleeping bag because, like you, they think is his fault, because you have no fucking clue and your holier than thou moralising about how you’d definitely stay squeaky clean if you ended up on the street being kicked night after night and treated as non existent day after day is BULLSHIT.
Yep.
So maybe they can deal with them some healthier way then? It’s a fallacy to say that drug addiction is simply a response to underlying emotional problems. Past a certain point, addiction takes on a life of its own and causes more problems and emotional trauma than almost anything an average person ever faces.
Problems plus smoke meth > Problems
The point is that people will always go back to self medication when the underlying problems aren’t being addressed.
So meth + 0 problem = ok?
That’s why you follow them with a mallet after they take the drug
You got some mallet, bro? I’ll suck yo dink
Not everybody with a drug addiction has underlying problems beyond those caused by the addiction itself
I doubt that’s even anywhere close to the majority though.