By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don’t mean to defend this, but I’m guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression.
Hmm, I don’t know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to “match” TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period “Voyager”…
I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’
The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage.
@ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don’t recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I’m an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era–I might not notice.
Yeah if they hadn’t struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter.
I don’t remember shit about B’elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except :
Janeway : Hardass
Doctor : fun guy
Tuvok : generic serious vulcan
Neelix : obvious comic relief, silly
Chakotay : Native american guy with a cool face tat
B’elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn’t known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight.
I read B’elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn’t always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg.
Plus ofc Janeway + B’elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women.
But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶
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By such standards, the Original Series (#TOS) seems positively regressive. I don’t mean to defend this, but I’m guessing that, at the time, it was perceived that Enterprise needed to fit into that regression.
Hmm, I don’t know about that. It seems less to me like them trying to “match” TOS, and more like a continuation of the trends established on late-period “Voyager”…
I do recall that Enterprise was hyped as a response to the demands from (mostly male) fans who wanted a ‘return to exploration’, less ‘magic technology’ and implicitly ‘men doing stuff.’
The 1990s BBS hate of the women in leadership roles in the early seasons of Voyager was savage.
@ValueSubtracted I recall noticing the sexism on Enterprise. I don’t recall noticing it on Voyager, which had two strong female characters. But I’m an old man raised in a more chauvinistic era–I might not notice.
Seven of Nine’s suit was painted on
Yeah if they hadn’t struck gold with Jeri Ryan that whole situation would have been seen in a whole different light. She and the writers pulled that decision out of the gutter.
I definitely noticed that.
I think Janeway and 7 were well written. B’elana was mostly just angry.
I don’t remember shit about B’elana , or much of Voyager characterisation except :
B’elana being mostly angry makes sense as a Klingon and an engineer. each facet isn’t known for being sunshine on rainbows, combined, not exactly going to be a delight.
True enough.
7 and the EMH we’re the best characters in the show, IMHO.
But what about Kess?
I read B’elana as a point that the chief engineer doesn’t always need to be some composed nerd. Even a person with deep anger control issues, with interest in (Klingon) religion, can be a good fit for that position and can stand her ground to a literal Borg.
Plus ofc Janeway + B’elana and + 7 later, meant that most science-related decision were made by a group of women.
But as everyone on the cast, once 7 and doctor were out, the screentime was really compressed 😶
Jeri was local and would appear regularly at local cons :p
Awesome!