So… Jupiter pulls the barycenter outside Sol… but this has no effect on our lives… interesting. How’s this possible that we’re insulated from any influence?
I mean, the sun is a star, and that one definitely affects your life
earth is a planet. it might play a role, too.
oh, planets, plural. well, jupiter’s massive gravity helped clear and shape the solar system, and the planets (except mercury) align to its orbital plane, not the sun’s ‘equator’.
also stars helped people to navigate
Also there are tons of people who do give in to astrology that do effect your life by their reacting in different ways to how others read those signs.
But since they all listen to different astrologists and those provide uncoordinated predictions that influence is somewhat mitigated because it affects you in all directions at once
Not depending on the time of year you were born though
eh, I have my birthday near midterm season every year, I’d say that’s the sun’s fault for being where it was when I was born.
Earth’s fault for it to rotate around a fixed axis at that spot relative to the sun each year.
So horoscopes are true after all, who would have guessed
What constellation does the Sun belong to?
The Big Lamp of course
Depends on who you ask!
I once saw the headline
Dog Breeds You Should NOT Get Based on Your Astrological Sign
I did not click but as an optimist, I imagined the content would be nothing but
Sign Problematic dog breed ♈ Aries Chihuahua ♉ Taurus Chihuahua ♊ Gemini Chihuahua ♋ Cancer Chihuahua ♌ Leo Chihuahua ♍ Virgo Chihuahua ♎ Libra Chihuahua ♏ Scorpio Chihuahua ♐ Sagittarius Chihuahua ♑ Capricorn Chihuahua ♒ Aquarius Chihuahua ♓ Pisces Chihuahua I thought this was an image.
Markdown and Unicode can do cool things
same, specially since i’m using a css style on lemmy and for whatever reason the table is not styled
Can you share a screenshot?
found it here, mine is catppuccin macchiato variant. i used the stylus extension to apply the theme.
I like Chihuahuas :(
Let’s just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.
But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.
But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.
assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
I’ve been casually investigating several astrological systems for years (even since still in my militant atheist materialist phase)… and I’ve not encountered this assumption before. Can you tell me in which astrological system is this assumption found? Sounds interesting.
The zodiac constallations don’t even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.
This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)
And it’s even more complicated than that.
Some systems kept things aligned with the people, some kept things aligned with the stars. Then there’s tropical vs sidereal. And even more complexity to further confound.
And it’s hilarious to watch people try to discredit all astrology with cherry picked argument from ignorance fallacies. Can’t get there from here.
Like when the misalignment with constellations are cited as reason to throw out all astrology as utter bunk, one can retort “so the aspects are still aligned?”. XD
One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.
What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.
And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn’t have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don’t matter as much as the seasons do.
Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it’s probably stronger in Canada than California.
That (seasonal/weather/climate changes) would be handy data to have to tease out what remains of whatever gravitational/light/torsion/whatever influences remain.
I wonder who would have the resources, interest, and integrity, to fund, facilitate and honestly report the results of any such study.
The biological/epigenetic responses to such subtle influences could be quite varied, in depth of analysis.
It can also decide if you’re always the oldest or youngest person in your class, which might be a big deal
wait wouldn’t this mean you could predict people’s personalities similar to how we can predict the weather but not change it
Even if there was influence, we’re still shaped by the environment in which we grow, especially personality, so no you couldn’t predict only from the starting point. Maybe if one day we are able to perfectly simulate a brain and record the entirety of a life, then we may be able to predict a personality. But that’s not happening anytime soon.
And a massive reason for legal abortions; I wouldn’t want my children to become the passive aggressive, depressive smartass I am. Better to make sure they’re born some other date of the year.
Fret not. You cannot jump in the same river.
Already the outer planets have moved to other signs, and the inner planets wont be in the same positions; wont be forming the same aspects, to that same day of the year, not to mention the further processions and passage of the sun around the galaxy hitting different phases of gravitational waves. Way more going on than just Sol & Earth.
Man, this is grim but so spot-on
That’s such an aquarius thing to post
Surely you mean Taurus… right?
It’s Taurus that’s the statistically the more cliche incredulous and dismissive and certain that astrology’s bunk.
Aquarius are the most interested in astrology. (Likely (at least) in part because the profiles and readings are often most flattering to Aquarius ~ how much that’s a feedback loop, or how much it’s due to being fixed air, I know not… hard to tease out.)
I feel like a random one should say, “your going to have a bad day”
I was expecting it under “cancer”
Not to be that guy… But stars and planets definitely have the potential to affect all of our lives, just not in any positive w-- the sun goes supernova
Or, rather than supernova (or ballooning to a giant, in a few billion years) just the flares and corona mass ejections.
Which in turn are influenced by (for one) Jupiter’s influence on the sun cycle.
Our sun will never go supernova because it’s too small for that. As hydrogen runs out, it will grow to a red giant by burning off the helium it produced and will expand to about Mars’ orbit. When the helium runs out too, it will then collapse to a white dwarf and release dust clouds into what formerly was our solar system and then it just huffs out like a candle in the wind.
To go supernova, our sun would need about 10 times its mass.
The stars and planets affect the lives of astronomers every day though.
pretty sure the earth is a planet and it does affect my life
Libra: A big promotion is just around The corner for someone much more talented than you
-Weird Al
Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you but let me reassure that these forecasts and predictions are all based on solid scientific documented evidence and you would have to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true where was I?
Most stars (comparatively), I’m pretty sure there’s one pretty close to us that lights up the only half the world at a time, that one might be more relevant.
True. It should say “the positions of planets and stars at the time of your birth won’t effect your future in any meaningful way” but that’s a little long.
My favorite thing is that astrologers are working with a ‘zodiac’ of stars which is so old, the stars have changed position in the sky and their zodiacal charts aren’t even accurate if you just up.
Also IIRC there should be thirteen astrological signs but that number was unpopular so the charts were fudged to make them fit twelve. So they aren’t accurate for any age.
the 13th, if anyone’s interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus_(astrology)
?Ophiuchus is one of the thirteen constellations that cross the ecliptic.[65] It has sometimes been suggested as the “13th sign of the zodiac”. However, this confuses zodiac or astrological signs with constellations.[66] The signs of the zodiac are a twelve-fold division of the ecliptic, so that each sign spans 30° of celestial longitude, approximately the distance the Sun travels in a month, and (in the Western tradition) are aligned with the seasons so that the March equinox always falls on the boundary between Pisces and Aries.[67][68] Constellations, on the other hand, are unequal in size and are based on the positions of the stars. The constellations of the zodiac have only a loose association with the signs of the zodiac, and do not in general coincide with them.[69] In Western astrology the constellation of Aquarius, for example, largely corresponds to the sign of Pisces. Similarly, the constellation of Ophiuchus occupies most (29 November – 18 December[70]) of the sign of Sagittarius (23 November – 21 December). The differences are due to the fact that the time of year that the Sun passes through a particular zodiac constellation’s position has slowly changed (because of the precession of the Earth’s rotational axis) over the centuries from when the Babylonians originally developed the Zodiac.[71][72]
I mean… there is sidereal astrology, which does account for the precession of the equinoxes. And tropical astrology has explanations and justifications to be how it is. It’s not just “oh dumb astrologers don’t even know the stars changed!”. Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
If you are actually interested or curious, here is a thread with explanations (it’s unfortunately on Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/wr1iok/tropical_astrology_explanation/?sort=top
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They just don’t care 🌚
Also, with how popular astrology now, I’d wager that more than half astrologists don’t know it and only care about some cargo cult attributes
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They look at stars the same way flat earthers look at the world around them.
That link doesn’t explain it at all, it’s like watching fundamental religious people argue about how the Bible actually makes sense and applies to today.
The link does explain it, and if you listened to fundamental Christians describe their beliefs, you’d understand them better. You don’t have to agree, but if you never have an open mind even to things you disagree with you will never understand them.
That’s not true! They can soothe your mind while watching them, they could light your path on a very very dark night in the wilderness, they help you navigate, they’re a nice hobby for some people, even a profession for some. Boom! QED mate!
Not true, I will travel to view a solar eclipse, therefore at least one star is affecting my life.
I’ve read before that astrology can actually be a good indicator of personality IF the person actually believes in astrology in the first place. It becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy where the person models their personality after whatever they’ve been told they’re supposed to be like. Astrology seems to just use alot of universal personality traits that probably anybody could manifest at some point in their life. So then a person who believes in it probably internalizes a few specific traits as “their” personality and after awhile just turn to that trait automatically.
No idea how true it actually is, but it seemed to make some amount of sense. It could potentially be useful if you’re dealing with a person who believes in astrology, but it’s such a random thing that it’d be just as useful to study Myers-Briggs personality types.
I first got intrigued to investigate astrology, while disbelieving it as utter bunk, when someone correctly “guessed” (asserted with certainty) what my sun sign was, from my personality/behaviour. I have since gone on to be able to fathom several other people’s sun signs from not only their behaviour, but their appearance[1].
But for sure, there are feedback loops.
Prediction or projection? Ever the feedback loop quandary.
[1: You can literally see it. In shorthand, by faces alone (though there are many other clues)…:
- Aries, you can see the aries glyph on their face, in the eyebrows.
- Taureans have a T on their face with a more flat eyebrow.
- Gemini have the twins facing each other on their face.
- Cancerians have a “moon face”, sometimes can see a crab-like appearance too to help distinguish from Librans.
- Leos have a lion-like nose/mouth/jaw protrusion/carving.
- Virgos have the tell tale “large cheeks”.
- Librans have “lightbulb head” (and a softness of features).
- Scorpios have a scorpion like severity to their face. (Like Capricorns, hard to describe)
- Sagittarian (I think the easiest to spot) have a rectangle forehead.
- Capricorn’s kinda goaty, kinda see it in the severity in their eyes, and a sharpness of features (like cheekbones).
- Aquarius I find harder to spot by their face (because of uniqueness), best clue, lower top eyelids, I often mistake for Taureans.
- Pisces are best detected in the eyes that look like two fish jumping out of the water towards each other.
And if you then couple appearance with personality traits, it gets easier to see/guesstimate. Some people manage to tune their sight to see it constantly, effortlessly, whereas some people “never” see it, much like magic eye pictures. Then of course, there’s rising sign and moon sign (or stelliums) that typically next have the biggest influence on appearance, which may be worth enquiring if guessing sun sign incorrectly, to see if you were seeing those other influences. Once you know what to look for, sometimes it stands out strikingly obvious.]
Love the subtle Myers-Briggs roast you slipped in there!
