Let’s just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.
But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.
But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.
assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
I’ve been casually investigating several astrological systems for years (even since still in my militant atheist materialist phase)… and I’ve not encountered this assumption before. Can you tell me in which astrological system is this assumption found? Sounds interesting.
The zodiac constallations don’t even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.
This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)
Some systems kept things aligned with the people, some kept things aligned with the stars. Then there’s tropical vs sidereal. And even more complexity to further confound.
And it’s hilarious to watch people try to discredit all astrology with cherry picked argument from ignorance fallacies. Can’t get there from here.
Like when the misalignment with constellations are cited as reason to throw out all astrology as utter bunk, one can retort “so the aspects are still aligned?”. XD
One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.
What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.
And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn’t have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don’t matter as much as the seasons do.
Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it’s probably stronger in Canada than California.
That (seasonal/weather/climate changes) would be handy data to have to tease out what remains of whatever gravitational/light/torsion/whatever influences remain.
I wonder who would have the resources, interest, and integrity, to fund, facilitate and honestly report the results of any such study.
The biological/epigenetic responses to such subtle influences could be quite varied, in depth of analysis.
Even if there was influence, we’re still shaped by the environment in which we grow, especially personality, so no you couldn’t predict only from the starting point. Maybe if one day we are able to perfectly simulate a brain and record the entirety of a life, then we may be able to predict a personality. But that’s not happening anytime soon.
And a massive reason for legal abortions; I wouldn’t want my children to become the passive aggressive, depressive smartass I am. Better to make sure they’re born some other date of the year.
Already the outer planets have moved to other signs, and the inner planets wont be in the same positions; wont be forming the same aspects, to that same day of the year, not to mention the further processions and passage of the sun around the galaxy hitting different phases of gravitational waves. Way more going on than just Sol & Earth.
Let’s just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.
But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.
But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.
I’ve been casually investigating several astrological systems for years (even since still in my militant atheist materialist phase)… and I’ve not encountered this assumption before. Can you tell me in which astrological system is this assumption found? Sounds interesting.
The zodiac constallations don’t even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.
This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)
And it’s even more complicated than that.
Some systems kept things aligned with the people, some kept things aligned with the stars. Then there’s tropical vs sidereal. And even more complexity to further confound.
And it’s hilarious to watch people try to discredit all astrology with cherry picked argument from ignorance fallacies. Can’t get there from here.
Like when the misalignment with constellations are cited as reason to throw out all astrology as utter bunk, one can retort “so the aspects are still aligned?”. XD
One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.
What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.
And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn’t have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don’t matter as much as the seasons do.
Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it’s probably stronger in Canada than California.
That (seasonal/weather/climate changes) would be handy data to have to tease out what remains of whatever gravitational/light/torsion/whatever influences remain.
I wonder who would have the resources, interest, and integrity, to fund, facilitate and honestly report the results of any such study.
The biological/epigenetic responses to such subtle influences could be quite varied, in depth of analysis.
It can also decide if you’re always the oldest or youngest person in your class, which might be a big deal
wait wouldn’t this mean you could predict people’s personalities similar to how we can predict the weather but not change it
Even if there was influence, we’re still shaped by the environment in which we grow, especially personality, so no you couldn’t predict only from the starting point. Maybe if one day we are able to perfectly simulate a brain and record the entirety of a life, then we may be able to predict a personality. But that’s not happening anytime soon.
And a massive reason for legal abortions; I wouldn’t want my children to become the passive aggressive, depressive smartass I am. Better to make sure they’re born some other date of the year.
Fret not. You cannot jump in the same river.
Already the outer planets have moved to other signs, and the inner planets wont be in the same positions; wont be forming the same aspects, to that same day of the year, not to mention the further processions and passage of the sun around the galaxy hitting different phases of gravitational waves. Way more going on than just Sol & Earth.
Man, this is grim but so spot-on