• whoisearth@lemmy.ca
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    19 days ago

    When the legal thing is morally wrong as defined by the majority of people you have to pause on your position.

    Or the question I guess is do you think what ICE is doing is morally wrong?

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      19 days ago

      Finally, a fucking sane comment. Yes, I agree. It’s very much wrong, morally, but legally speaking, they’re doing their job and her notifying illegal immigrants about ICE is definitely illegal. If you hide a burglar in your house (not saying immigrants are compared to burglars, but they are breaking the law), you’re going to be held liable for obstructing justice, won’t you? My whole argument from the very beginning is on the legality. I never mentioned anything about it being morally right. My whole thing is she’s breaking the law, and this isn’t the way to go about it. This is not how things work.

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          19 days ago

          Impeding arrests? Preventing law enforcements from doing their job? Obstruction of justice? I said that so many times.

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            18 days ago

            How is that different than saying to avoid an area because of a heavy police presence? The news does that all the time with “traffic reports” and other “dangerous” situations where police are involved.

            Telling someone about the public presence of a public figure/entity either isn’t or shouldn’t be illegal and frankly, I don’t really give a shit about what’s legal when my rights and the rights of others are being consistently and illegally violated.

          • DarthFreyr@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            Is she specifically informing people who are named targets or are actively being pursued? Is knowledge of the presence of these ICE agents under gag order or otherwise specifically legally restricted? If not, what makes this any different than pointing out a speed trap? There is no obligation that people make it easy for law enforcement to do their jobs, especially when it comes to speech, regardless of any wildly unconstitutional things LEOs have claimed about the law.

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        18 days ago

        but legally speaking, they’re doing their job and her notifying illegal immigrants about ICE is definitely illegal.

        I’m sure it was illegal to alert Jews who were about to be rounded up by Gestapo, or to hide them in their house. It was also illegal to help slaves escape to the north via the underground railroad, but people who ignored those laws to instead act on their morals to do what’s right are now regarded as heroic, and the ones who used the argument they were ‘just following orders’ are now seen as cowardly and vile scum, many of them were even executed for participating in horrific crimes against humanity, so that defense doesn’t hold any water.

        • takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          17 days ago

          Kind of off topic, but is there a way to contact whomever is responsible for the repair mirror? All the links to source don’t work anymore.

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            16 days ago

            I’ve noticed this as well, but unfortunately I can’t give a timeline of when it will be resolved.

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              16 days ago

              So that means, the owner of the mirror is aware of it?

              My concern is that I see that all moderators besides you haven’t been active for several months.

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                15 days ago

                Yes, unfortunately the admin hasn’t had time to address it. They do now, and should be able to update it this weekend.

                I think I may have been the only mod to volunteer who was already active on lemmy beforehand, and thus would stick around regardless. The others, I suspect, may have returned to reddit. Most of them had not been active even when I volunteered a few months ago.