• elucubra@sopuli.xyz
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    Older guy here.

    I have always avoided dating women who would plaster shit all over their faces. I’d rather see those pores, freckles (actually I’m sucker for freckles), etc. I do like a bit of eye liner or shadows (or whatever it’s called) lipstick/gloss, mascara. Accents, if you will. But someone with their faces under a coat of primer, paint, and lacquer, like a car?

    Also, I want to have a good idea of what they’ll look like in the morning.

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        It’s interesting that you have such poor reading comprehension. I’m stating what I find attractive, I state no opinion on amke up per se. You do you.

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          I have always avoided dating women who would plaster shit all over their faces.

          But someone with their faces under a coat of primer, paint, and lacquer, like a car?

          Also, I want to have a good idea of what they’ll look like in the morning.

          It’s not poor reading comprehension. The post pertained to makeup formulations changing over time and you jump right in with your opinion on the kind of makeup you find unattractive, as if anybody cares. My issue is with the insulting way you describe women doing the kind of makeup that you don’t like. You seem to feel that if you don’t find it attractive, it’s OK to denigrate it. It’s rude and sexist because women exist and do things according to their own preferences and don’t give a shit if you like it or not.

          And I’m not the only one pointing this out to you, but you seem determined not to understand.

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        Nope. I don’t look for anything, I just avoid certain things, as I suspect most people do in their romantic endeavors.

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          You avoid makeup that you can notice. The vast majority of women wear makeup, and often go to great lengths for a “natural” look.

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            And that I find attractive. Even women who have no full face stuff, but do their eyeliner with those pointy ends, or whimsical stuff like that. I’m basically not attracted to women who look like real life versions of a beauty photo filter.

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          2 days ago

          I do like a bit of eye liner or shadows (or whatever it’s called) lipstick/gloss, mascara.

          My dude this is exactly what “no makeup makeup” is.

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            I imagine that is it.

            I never said that I am against makeup, or even against people with Amidala/Kabuki levels of make-up. You do you. I’m stating my personal preferences in the “romantic interest” area, which should be absolutely fine by everybody.

            If you criticise my preferences you are being a bit of a fascist, no?

            Go criticise furries, for example, in public, see where that gets you.

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              If you criticise my preferences you are being a bit of a fascist, no?

              No. What a ridiculous thing to say.

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        I’m not judging women, I’m drawing red lines. I’m stating my preferences in dating situations. I also don’t like unkempt women for dating purposes, or overly tattooed, or too far right wing, or religious zealots, etc…

        I imagine you have some standards?

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            Of course it is judging, everyone judges. You are doing so right now with those comments.

            People are allowed to have preferences. And too much make-up is indicative of having a fake personality. So I stay clear of those kinds of people as well.

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              And too much make-up is indicative of having a fake personality.

              It’s really not. Women wear makeup for all kinds of reasons. It’s really nobody else’s business but their own.

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              too much make-up is indicative of having a fake personality

              … or, you know, makeup is fun and we use it for self-expression. Jesus christ.

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            Descriptive. If you reread, i’m stating what ** I** find attractive.

            Anybody is free to do whatever they like as long as they don’t harm others, or cause an objective harm to society.

            Within those limits you may do as you please, and I’ll defend your right to, but I don’t have to like it.

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              Commenting in discussions about makeup, to tell wearers of it that your dick doesn’t get hard for them if they were their make up a certain way, is a very weird thing to do.

              Do you think people who wear makeup are doing it just for you and your pleasure, but as some are doing it ‘wrong’ you need to step in and correct them?

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                Sheesh, this is getting tiring!

                I’M NOT TELLING ANYBODY TO DO OR NOT DO ANYTHING! I’M NOT JUDGING! I’M SAYING THAT I LIKE CERTAIN THINGS, AND DON’T LIKE CERTAIN OTHERS.

                If I’m not attracted to furries, am I being a bigot?

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                  21 hours ago

                  If you choose to go into furry spaces/discussions just to tell furries that you aren’t sexually attracted to them… yeah, that does kinda make you a bigot.

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        I think that the real sexism is in it being the norm that women have to paint their faces in order to be able to partake in society, lest they are deemed ‘unkept’.

        i know some people delight in adhering to the rule, like many moslimas choosing to wear a headscarf. Or tradwifes seeking their submissive role in the family.

        I’m not judging them if they do, but I feel the mold that is the norm should not go unquestioned.

        However you can’t go and criticize men for having an aesthetical preference, whilst championing the women’s right to that preference, that’s hypocritical.

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          I think that the real sexism is in it being the norm that women have to paint their faces in order to be able to partake in society, lest they are deemed ‘unkept’.

          This is largely dependent on what society you belong to. I’m a woman and I go out bare-faced all the time. There’s nothing wrong with that. And when I choose to wear makeup, I have fun with it, because I’m doing it for self-expression, not to be socially accepted. A lot of women are like me in this way.

          However you can’t go and criticize men for having an aesthetical preference, whilst championing the women’s right to that preference, that’s hypocritical.

          Both of these still pertain to women’s aesthetics. Men having an opinion about women’s appearances is not the same as women having an an opinion about their own appearance. There’s no hypocrisy here.

          Basically men’s opinions on what women choose to do with their makeup are largely irrelevant and unwanted. Our faces, our choice. Men can have opinions about their own faces and aesthetics.

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            Exactly, living in a culture where makeup is expected on women, I refuse to wear it in professional contexts as a feminist choice. When I go out I may throw on a dark red lip and a smokey eye with no foundation because I feel like it looks great on me.

            I think it’s all fine and good for men to have their own opinions on women’s styles, and vice versa. But opinions on styles one doesn’t wear should be kept to oneself unless asked for. And when it’s related to the balancing acts women do to be perceived as socially acceptable it’s a tightrope.