A user on lemmy.world/c/aboringdystopia stated that Jews should be ashamed of themselves for the actions of Israel.
I rhetorically responded “Why?” and reported the antisemitic comment.
Reporting them was deemed “Trolling” by the moderator, who believes there is nothing wrong with shaming all Jews for the actions of Israel because some Jews state they are ashamed of it themselves.
I explained the moderator why the comment was antisemitic. In a twist of events, they then permabanned me, deleted all my posts from the comunity and told me I would feel more at home at .ml.
PTB for the mods.
And racism by the reported user. I think at this point in story we should know that the action of part of a ethnic/religious group (no matter how big) doesn’t automatically represent a 100% of the group.
A bit late to the party, but PTB.
PTB, wild that they’re comfortable with .de accounts making broad associations between Jewish people and Israel but immediately ban if you’re from .ml for calling that out
German regime and Germans as people are Zionists and close ally of the isrselis and provide materiel and logistical support both for genocide and in operations against Iran.
Germany is a full on ZioNazi country, it’s such a disgusting shithole failure where they’re more upset about being called Nazis than they are about enabling genocide. They really need another round of denazification.
Germany was never de-Nazi’d. Americans recruited some for rockets, some for “keeping peace”, some for rebuilding Europe.
Nazis never left, they just changed who they got paid by.
They really need another round of denazification.
That’s Mandela effect. There was so much talk in Western countries of denazification, even to the degree of deurbanization of Germany (like Morgenthau plan), that everybody missed that it never actually happened
I’m reluctant to make blanket judgement of all Germans, but the fact that they never properly denazified 70+ years ago has never been on clearer display
PTB I think this is a justified report.
Jewish people from all over the world have been and are currently actively organizing and fighting against zionism, occupation and genocide. They have nothing to ashamed of. Instead they are important in the struggle for liberation not just in Palestine but also worldwide.
Yes, also as someone from Russia - you know, if for citizens of Russia it were easier, not harder, to cross borders, emigrate, use various international systems (like payment systems) and such, then any rumor of a new wave of mobilization and any economic problem (from the real kind of sanctions, like those on fossil fuels, not like on me paying for stuff on the Internet, BTW, Putin’s relatives have recently made “acquisitions” of grain businesses, so fossil fuel sanctions do work) would lead to waves of people leaving.
As someone also Jewish - making Jews fear retaliation for Israel’s actions is not a very good way to hurt Israel, and making even Israelis fear that means that they might fear leaving Israel more than being mobilized or hit by a rocket or whatever.
Both these things punish dissenters. When a regime is bad, you should encourage dissent. When instead your media and politicians punish dissenters of that regime directly or via causing such sentiments, it means they support the regime.
In case of Israel it’s very visible, in case of Russia - it’s convenient to have a regime selling useful fossil fuels and grain without considering what its population thinks, keeping western politicians on payroll, keeping status quo in relations, not thinking about any uncertainty of an actually democratic Russia, for example, diverting from fossil fuel trade (Dutch sickness is a thing), or maybe actually being a useful part of BRICS, or maybe fixing a few frozen conflicts which are very profitable. And by now if Russia’s regime dies, I suppose plenty of compromising information will leak about those politicians.
I kinda get what they mean about reporting and then engaging, but a permaban seems excessive.
Israel is doing a genocide… I dont understand why the discussion always turns about how coddle western Jew feels about it.
They supported it when it was in vogue, now they took the Israeli flags down and doing damage control.
Either way Palestinian children are being starved.
That’s the real issue… Not feelings of people who provided political cover for Israel for 80 years
THANK YOU
Zionist Jews started 80 years ago a COLONIAL PROJECT, bribing almost all the politicians and now they are carrying the last phase of the GENOCIDE, to create a JEWISH SUPREMACIST STATE.
While kids are starving I DO NOT CARE about the fate of judaism, now the focus is to save PALESTINIANS. If this means killing judaism to save STARVING CHILDREN, SO BE IT!
When the genocide is stopped and Palestine is again in the hands of Palestinians we can see what is left of judaism.
So you’re saying you’re ok with the genocide of one culture but not that of another. Cool.
Because users with .de extensions keep bringing up Jews.
There is no need to appeal to Jews which claim their feeling are hurt because of anti Zionism, but that is not what happened this time.
I suspect you’ll feel more at home on lemmy.ml
Unless you want to comment on Uyghur or Tibetan genocide.
Storm.front banned you for calling out antisemitism?
So far I have been banned from /microblogmemes for posting criticism of Israel and /aboringdystopia for reporting antisemitism. What an amazing server.
The title and framing is misleading.
There are other comparable examples with indirect cultural (even ethnic) links where no one in their right mind would call it anti-[ethnicity/relation/culture/social group].
Honestly, anti-semintism is way over used. There is of course real anti-semitism, but these days it is increasingly becoming a polemical device to try and shut down legitimate criticism and actions.
If you want your country to drop diplomatic recognition of Israel, is that anti-Semitism?
I would argue it is not anti-Semitism. If you have any connection (ethnic links, multi year exposure) to a country that has suffered from colonialism, you will have a different perspective.
Opposition to “British Burma” is not discrimination or hatred of UK. It’s wanting to manage your own country.
The post is about Jews not Israel
Sure, I addressed that, although maybe I wasn’t clear. The point about wanting to remove diplomatic recognition of Israel is just an example.
In other ethnic/cultural groups, it is possible to be ashamed of a big element of your group that happens to be systematically evil. This is not discrimination or prejudice.
I really do think anti-Semitism is starting to lose its meaning.
Israel has destroyed the meaning of antisemtism. And the media has helped it by giving them a platform to do so. What is scary, is that actual antisemitism is starting to be seen as acceptable because the word has no meaning anymore.
Yes, the “boy who cried wolf” idiom comes to mind.
I can understand the German media (histrocial factora) and the US media (corruption with respect to Israeli interests), but why are media resources are so uncritical about alleged claims of anti-Semitism?
Can we just agree that
YES, right extreme state of Israel = bad
NO, not the whole religion and all Jews are therefore bad (at least not more than other religions) ?
Extremely annoying that political criticism and religious hate always get mixed up (partly on purpose).
I don’t like murica government, doesn’t make me anti christian, I don’t like Iran government, doesn’t make me anti-muslim, I don’t like israel- government, doesn’t make me antisemitic.
Also: I don’t like how easy nonscientific believes such as religions can be used as tools to crowd control
Talk about ideas, deeds, actors and political regimes, not about people grouped by religions, ethnicity or looks and you have a much more productive discussion.
Jews should be ashamed of themselves for the actions of Israel.
This is not what he said at all though? He said HE would be ashamed to be Jewish. Unless you missed some other screenshots?
It is the only message which can be inferred from the comment.
The user does not say they are Jewish and ashamed. They say they would be ashamed if they were Jewish. Ergo Jewish people should feel shame for it. The way the message is written in a “passive” form does not change its meaning.
If you have an alternative explanation I would love to hear it.
It is the only message which can be inferred from the comment
So you haven’t missed anything, you are just lying, yes?
His comment is not antisemitic.
During crusades I would be ashamed to be a Christian. Does not make me anti-Christian .
During Holocaust I would be ashamed to be German. Does not make me anti-German.
You falsely accused someone of racism and insisted on your false report. Now you came here and lied again - you falsely claimed they said something they never did and you implied their intention without any evidence of such.
YDI
“No, you don’t understand, somebody has been mean to me and I’m a JEW! Do you understand?? Even tho my religion is been hijacked by extreme fascism 80 years ago and now is carrying out the most disgusting and horrendous war crime in history, I can’t be ashamed of being part of this group? How dare you?!” /s
You would be allowed to state those opinions if you were Christian during the Crusade of German during the Holocaust.
The user does not claim to hold the religion or race of Judaism and is simply using it as way to say Jews should be ashamed of it.
What they could say it “I would be ashamed to be a Zionist” but they choose to use the term Jew instead of Zionist. You too are currently conflating Zionism and Judaism.
You would be allowed to state those opinions if you were Christian during the Crusade of German during the Holocaust
No. I am neither Christian nor German and I would be ashamed if I was during crusades/Holocaust.
and are using an accusation in third person
No. He is saying HE would be ashamed. He doesn’t imply others should be ashamed. Stop making stuff up.
You asked a question and I already answered, YDI.
Now, disengage - I do not wish to continue any conversation with you as you lied in your initial post and you are clearly arguing in bad faith.
Why should he feel shame “if he were a Jew”? Are you saying all Jews are responsible for the actions of Israel?
I would be very ashamed of myself if I were u/FelixCress.
Where do you see Felix (or the poster you refer to) claim that all Jews are responsible for the actions of Israel?
I think you dug yourself in a hole with a reflexive, uncritical accusation of anti-Semitism.
Although to be fair that seems to the primarily MO of a large portion of individuals/institutions that bring up anti-Semitism.
The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people, in which it fulfills its natural, cultural, religious, and historical right to self-determination.
[Israel’s Basic Law of 2018]
I don’t see the word “Zionist” there. I see the word “Jewish”. The actions of Israel are therefore by law taken in the name of all Jewish people. And if OP were Jewish, they’d be ashamed of it, apparently. They don’t offer advice or instruction as to what other people should feel about it.
Maybe you should complain to the Israeli government for conflating Zionism and Judaism, if that’s your issue with the statement.
Gee, I wonder where you got that from https://lemmy.ml/post/33948292/20179882
There’s a lot of people here willing to conflate Judaism and Zionism here.
Yeah what the literal fuck is this comment chain? Wtf is up with people saying “go back to ml” when told “israel doesn’t represent all jews, that’s antisemetic”
What worse than this comment, is the article being israeli propaganda, the article is full of lies it was normal gazans showing israeli attrocities not khamas
This is aboringdystopia. Showcasing Israeli propaganda is the point.
