AOC is trying to whip up funds for when she runs next election. I’m not too thrilled that she voted against cutting funds for Israel weapons. What was she thinking. So dumb, and felt like a betrayal. And in the time since as many of her allies urged her to own up to what she did to get her support back, she chose not to. So something is keeping her quiet. Usually in the US politics thats money. I’d be curious if anyone else has other theories. I really liked her as a presidential candidate, before this.
She voted against reduced funding for weapons for Israel because she would have been voting FOR funds for weapons for Israel. If she had the option to eliminate funding of weapons for Israel completely she would have supported that.
Years from now people could look back and say “AOC in 2025 voted to supply Israel with XXX million dollars of weapons while they were in the middle of destroying Gaza, and attacking Syria and Iran.”
Would you really vote to supply weapons to Israel at this point in time?
the amendment is a separate vote from the main bill, she could have voted yes on the amendment and no on the bill. Imagine the allies sending ”defensive” weapons to WWII germany.
I see everyone’s point but without the bill there is no military financing and no defensive weapons. The fact that it’s MTGs amendment surely played a part in her decision.
She voted against reduced funding for weapons for Israel because she would have been voting FOR funds for weapons for Israel.
Thats not what I read about what she claimed were her motivations. She said she voted against it because she was in favor of giving them defensive weapons, but not offensive ones. As if the money to buy weapons wasnt easily moved from one to the other. Weapons are weapons.
“Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it”
Does that mean she would vote for giving “densive weapons” to Russia? What about Iran? So-called defensive weapons just allow impunity to use offensive weapons. It’s like giving a bulletproof vest to a school shooter.
Her distinction between offensive and defensive weapons is meaningless.
its morally and ethically wrong to aid Israel in light of their actions.
The US has no obligation to send them any weapons, regardless of the use case. Her trying to parse out defensive vs offensive is a manipulation and a shallow sales job.
US gov employees are explicitly forbidden by US law from lending any aid whatsoever to any country committed war crimes.
The cost of supporting Israel is the unravelling of the entire western world order. Its not just the US. And for what, some pitiful bribes? Israel is spending the very concept of democracy so they can do a land grab and feel badass about killing some helpless people. And AOC wants to help… for some campaign donations, I assume? Or is it just to keep the powerful zionist lobby off her back… what was her price for her betraying what used to be her principles? And now that she has done it and DSA has booted her, what role does she even play anymore?
This is incorrect. The United States provides federal military funding to Israel and specifically and separately funds $500 million per year for their Iron Dome program. This is the $500 million of funding that MTG was seeing to eliminate.
“Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. This has been formalized by a 10-year (2019-2028) Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). Consistent with the MOU, the United States annually provides $3.3 billion in FMF and $500 million for cooperative programs for missile defense.”
the MOU is about a yearly aid package, that MTG (who I hate) wanted to add an amendment to cut.
Thats a no brainer choice. Unless AOC or someone can show me a poison pill in that ammendment, its straightforward and simple to pick the only ethical and progressive vote.
And AOC failed to pick it for some reason. It wasnt complicated.
Omar made the right choice and called out AOC for failing to. And rightly so. DSA called AOC out as well. This is simple math. Lets do the simple math and stop pretending its calculus.
Do we all want to be funding weapons for Israel or do we not? That was the choice.
I appreciate some of the points you are making, but I was responding to this statement that you made twice: “Her trying to parse out defensive vs offensive is a manipulation and a shallow sales job.”
You’re being deceptive if you are implying that AOC voted against reducing weapons to Israel and then tried to spin it by creating a distinction between offensive and defensive weapons.
AOC voted against the entire bill, rejecting all funding for Israel’s military.
MTGs amendment cut funding of Israel’s Iron Dome program. This is a defensive system, of course it is useful during war time but it is still a defensive system. AOC is not creating this distinction, it exists. I linked to the state department’s site which indicates that the funding is considered separate from other military funding for Israel.
MTG wrote an amendment that is progressive and that all progressives must support? BS
If AOC had voted against a stand alone bill to eliminate Iron Dome funding then everyone’s points would be completely valid and warranted. That’s not what happened.
AOC is trying to whip up funds for when she runs next election. I’m not too thrilled that she voted against cutting funds for Israel weapons. What was she thinking. So dumb, and felt like a betrayal. And in the time since as many of her allies urged her to own up to what she did to get her support back, she chose not to. So something is keeping her quiet. Usually in the US politics thats money. I’d be curious if anyone else has other theories. I really liked her as a presidential candidate, before this.
She voted against reduced funding for weapons for Israel because she would have been voting FOR funds for weapons for Israel. If she had the option to eliminate funding of weapons for Israel completely she would have supported that.
Years from now people could look back and say “AOC in 2025 voted to supply Israel with XXX million dollars of weapons while they were in the middle of destroying Gaza, and attacking Syria and Iran.”
Would you really vote to supply weapons to Israel at this point in time?
the amendment is a separate vote from the main bill, she could have voted yes on the amendment and no on the bill. Imagine the allies sending ”defensive” weapons to WWII germany.
I see everyone’s point but without the bill there is no military financing and no defensive weapons. The fact that it’s MTGs amendment surely played a part in her decision.
Thats not what I read about what she claimed were her motivations. She said she voted against it because she was in favor of giving them defensive weapons, but not offensive ones. As if the money to buy weapons wasnt easily moved from one to the other. Weapons are weapons.
“Marjorie Taylor Greene’s amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of US munitions being used in Gaza. Of course I voted against it”
Does that mean she would vote for giving “densive weapons” to Russia? What about Iran? So-called defensive weapons just allow impunity to use offensive weapons. It’s like giving a bulletproof vest to a school shooter.
Her distinction between offensive and defensive weapons is meaningless.
This is incorrect. The United States provides federal military funding to Israel and specifically and separately funds $500 million per year for their Iron Dome program. This is the $500 million of funding that MTG was seeing to eliminate.
“Israel is the leading global recipient of Title 22 U.S. security assistance under the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. This has been formalized by a 10-year (2019-2028) Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). Consistent with the MOU, the United States annually provides $3.3 billion in FMF and $500 million for cooperative programs for missile defense.”
Source: https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel#%3A~%3Atext=Consistent+with+the+MOU%2C+the%2Csupport+starting+in+FY+2011.
the MOU is about a yearly aid package, that MTG (who I hate) wanted to add an amendment to cut.
Thats a no brainer choice. Unless AOC or someone can show me a poison pill in that ammendment, its straightforward and simple to pick the only ethical and progressive vote.
And AOC failed to pick it for some reason. It wasnt complicated.
Omar made the right choice and called out AOC for failing to. And rightly so. DSA called AOC out as well. This is simple math. Lets do the simple math and stop pretending its calculus.
Do we all want to be funding weapons for Israel or do we not? That was the choice.
Are you claiming Omar and the DSA are just… wrong? to call out AOC? https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/aoc-israel-ilhan-omar-iron-dome-rcna220394
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/us/politics/aoc-dsa-endorsement.html
I appreciate some of the points you are making, but I was responding to this statement that you made twice: “Her trying to parse out defensive vs offensive is a manipulation and a shallow sales job.”
You’re being deceptive if you are implying that AOC voted against reducing weapons to Israel and then tried to spin it by creating a distinction between offensive and defensive weapons.
AOC voted against the entire bill, rejecting all funding for Israel’s military.
MTGs amendment cut funding of Israel’s Iron Dome program. This is a defensive system, of course it is useful during war time but it is still a defensive system. AOC is not creating this distinction, it exists. I linked to the state department’s site which indicates that the funding is considered separate from other military funding for Israel.
MTG wrote an amendment that is progressive and that all progressives must support? BS
If AOC had voted against a stand alone bill to eliminate Iron Dome funding then everyone’s points would be completely valid and warranted. That’s not what happened.
And there you go again, funding zionism.
While pretending Omar and the entire DSA misunderstood what this was about, but you do.
Yeah… Now post the rest.
So what did it cut off?
And why did four “progressive Democrats” vote for it?
Americans democrats act toward democratic politicians like a domestic abuse victims acts toward his abuser.
Yes i know your ex is worse. Yes i know we don’t know them like you do. I’m sure they cried after they gave you your third black eyes this month.
AOC’s own statement expressed that she opposed eliminating funding of weapons to Israel.