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    It feels morbid to say but I think it’s because the genocide is almost complete, so now they can just claim “they were a moment too late.” So they can feign morality without having to attempt to enact it.

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      Might also be because they feel their credibility was dropping too low.

      TheGuardian is a great example of a newspaper which did a complete 180 from spewing every Israeli propaganda possible, going as far as using their reputation to back up Israeli lies, to suddenly questioning Israeli claims a few months ago and quoting Palestinians and human rights organizations.

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    Their mistake was being too specific about who was doing it, the IDF, and what should be done to them specifically, death to them.

    Liberals get queezy at the idea of direct intervention unless they’ve been whipped up into a patriotic frenzy first. They need vague moral allusions without assign blame or responsibility or even recourse. “What’s happening in Gaza is tragic.” Of course, this is with owning their role in allowing this to get to this stage and that’s why it’s important not to assign any blame.

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      If those “Liberals” were merely “queezy at the idea of direct intervention” they would simply remain neutral rather than arrest people for demonstrating against Genocide.

      Their actions disprove their “we’re merelly trying to not take sides” propaganda.

      By their very own actions and the kind of policies they defend, American and British “Liberals” are pretty damn close to Fascist, which explains their active support of an ethno-Fascist White Colonialist state mass murdering hundreds of thousands (on its way to millions) of people of another ethnicity to take their land.

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      The fact that the book’s whole description is about the author’s viral tweet is so weird to me. It’s a poignant tweet, but still.

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      Everyone will have always been against this, but those damned Leftist who came in during ramp up of the genocide in 2023 and 2024 will still have been unserious and irrational and detrimental to the cause of peace.

      Same with Iraq. What you said was wrong, because you said it at the wrong time and argued with the wrong people. You didn’t know back then what we knew and you didn’t understand what we understood and you were so rude about it when you should have been casual and polite, while tens of thousands of people were being butchered.

      So yes it’s a genocide, but you’re still expelled from Columbia for being anti-semitic. Maybe even deported to a blacksite in El Salvador. And you have only yourself to blame.

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        Of course there will be some dumb inhumane american making themselves the victim. Guess what idiot, this is not about your country’s election. Not everything is about your belly button you self absorbed idiot

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        Everyone will have always been against this, but those damned Leftist who refused to vote during ramp up of the genocide in 2023 and 2024 will still have been unserious and irrational and detrimental to the cause of peace.

        ftfy

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          those damned Leftist who refused to vote

          Do you believe that the 6M voters who showed up for Biden in 2020 and walked away from Harris in 2024 were Leftists? Or is this just Schrodinger’s Leftist? The one whose vote never matters when Democrats are winning but always costs the candidate the election when they lose?

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              As opposed to the Democratic leaders who chose Genocide over winning an easy election? The same leaders who were brilliantly telling voters to sit down and shut up, who made everything so much better, and doubtless learned a lot?

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                The state of the American mind is such that they literally cannot conceive of an outcome that doesn’t massacre 450k people and counting.

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                  I call it inherent suppremacism. They never considered foreigners as human, they solely comprehended gaza through the lense of their domestic politics. Still do: vylan is a british artisk afaik, blocked by the british governement, for his stance about a genocide that happens in the middle east.

                  Still some american idiot WILL take that opportunity to spreas his admin-sanctionned denialist narrative according to which “no the genocide was unavoidable actually you are the scums for not voting for the genocider. Now i have to face my own medecine and it’s so bitter”

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                As opposed to the Democratic leaders who chose Genocide over winning an easy election?

                Is that what happened?

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                  As opposed to a fantasy, yes.

                  Ah yes. Nothing is possible, we should accept the scraps that our rulers and industry leaders allow us and be grateful. “The orphan crushing machine is quite tolerable today, thank ye sire for only taking three children”.

                  If Biden truly wanted to, he could have curbed Israel in 2023. And not even anything as bold as an immediate and complete arms embargo; there was a lot of US soft power that he and Harris refused to wield, and what was done was largely token optics like sanctioning settlers whilst shipping arms contrary to US regulations, or ‘pausing’ delivery of 2,000lb bombs whilst keeping the 500lb & 1,000lb bombs and artillery shells flowing.

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    I’m wondering if Israel is being called out right now to distract from whoever is about to be outed by Gislaine Maxwell’s immunity deal.

    Either way, 0 sympathy for either party, but just highlights that once certain politicians start to really feel the heat personally, no amount of money or ideology can save whoever the nearest shield is.

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        Not saying the genocide is a conspiracy. I’m saying everyone who 1 week ago were skewering anyone who even suggested we use our influence to at least allow food into a region where people are starving and suddenly are coming out and condemning are are using a real genocide to flood the news cycles and distract from a bunch of pedophiles’ names coming out.

        Nothing about the genocide has changed, I can’t imagine why the democratic leadership suddenly decides to do a 180 on such a fervently held position. They were attacking Mamdani harder than they ever attacked Trump just for saying he would prefer if Israel extended basic human rights to everyone. To go from that, to what we’re seeing now at this time is really suspicious.

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    No, there’s no such thing as media gaslighting. Stop asking stupid questions and return to work