• smol_beans@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    If genocide isn’t a red line for you then you don’t have red lines. You will literally vote for rounding up trans people and gassing them as long as the opposing candidate wants to torture them before execution because “it’s the lesser evil”

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      20 hours ago

      If genocide isn’t a red line for you then you don’t have red lines.

      So you voted against every Dem candidate since 1960? And every GOP candidate too, of course. And most of the third party candidates, even.

      You will literally vote for rounding up trans people and gassing them as long as the opposing candidate wants to torture them before execution because “it’s the lesser evil”

      Cruelty to trans folk, may I remind you, was the case for the past 200 years of Western democracy; yet abstaining to vote against chattel slavery of Black folk on the issue of trans rights would have, likewise, been un-fucking-acceptable.

      Voting takes a day, at most, to avert very real and extensive harm to multiple marginalized demographics. It does not prevent your revolution. And, in fact, having even mildly sympathetic or neutral agents, even if they’re shitlibs, in power is far more conducive to revolutions than stacking all institutions of power with fascists who will do anything to crush you.

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        20 hours ago

        Do you have any red lines? Will you vote for a candidate that wants to murder your mom as long as the other candidate wants to murder both your parents?

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          No, PugJesus doesn’t. He would have been voted for Hitler himself, as Hitler’s whole shtick was that what he was doing was a necessary evil for the greater good of the German people. The road to Hell is paved with utilitarianism.

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          19 hours ago

          That would necessary, yes. Voting doesn’t preclude working against the fucked system. It means if your plans to alter or overthrow the fucked system don’t go through in time, you get the less bad option of the choices presented.

          Voting takes a few moments of your time, not a lifetime dedication to the grind. Voting is a strategic maneuver, not a love letter.

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            19 hours ago

            Would you yell at the people who refused to vote for killing your mom and tell them it’s their fault both your parents are dead now?

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              19 hours ago

              Abso-fucking-lutely I would, what kind of question is that? What kind of ghoul would choose to kill both of my parents? There were only two fucking options, it’s not rocket science. They would be 100% guilty of killing my father.

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                18 hours ago

                So we agree, you have no red lines. Every election is a political race to the bottom and everyone’s rights are negotiable.

                Only difference is you think that’s a good thing and I think it’s a bad thing.

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                  18 hours ago

                  I mean, if you thought that the general election was the only political action of note in a democracy, that would be true? But uh, those of us who participate in broader society, or even just bother to fucking show up to the primaries, know that by the time of the general election, much of the work to change positions is already finished, and all that’s actually left is the final clash between the coalitions which have been cobbled together by activists.

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                    18 hours ago

                    Primaries? What primaries?

                    But also, isn’t this meme you posted pretty ridiculous considering you admit that you would cast a vote to put trans people in camps if the situation was right?