Ultimately, my goal is more to highlight that allowing fascism because you really want to teach the shitlibs a lesson is not acceptable. Not ‘not acceptable’ in the sense that it’s a bad thing to do, though it is. “Not acceptable” as in “people who do it should not be treated as friends or comrades”.
Is the goal to rally everyone to vote blue with this strategy? How about for the next elections, we look into what leftists’ issues are, and primary someone that will actually win? Because this is a failure of a plan before it’s even going to happen. I want fascism to end as much as you do, but if we are actually serious about ending it, we have to put down our petty squabbles and actually unite against it.
Is the goal to rally everyone to vote blue with this strategy?
There’s no guarantee that the next election will even involve the Dems as a major party. The goal is to isolate and reduce the prevalence of people abstaining or making protest votes instead of serious strategic decisions because they know they’ll get feted from their core online circlejerks, and asspats from their broader online circles. Can’t fix the former, but we can fix the latter.
How about for the next elections, we look into what leftists’ issues are, and primary someone that will actually win?
And what happens when the leftists decide one of their pet issues is more important than winning, like they did in 2024? What happens if that pet issue is one that isn’t popular amongst the general electorate?
We should work to put leftist candidates in, but no candidate is going to be perfect - even Mamdani already has folk on the left attacking him - it must be emphasized that purity testing is not the way forward.
I want fascism to end as much as you do, but if we are actually serious about ending it, we have to put down our petty squabbles and actually unite against it.
… so how is asspatting leftists for refusing to unite against it going to help, again? This whole situation is predicated in part on leftists refusing to unite with the anti-fascist coalition candidate with the furthest left platform in my lifetime, and probably since fucking Truman, against a literal Nazi candidate. If your opinion is that we need unity, encouraging self-righteous leftists in playing purity politics seems pretty fucking counterproductive.
“It only helps the Nazis if you criticize the people who enabled the Nazis!”
Jesus Christ. So many commenters here are determined to defend the feelings of purity politics voters who literally delivered us to the fucking Nazis and will do so again at the first opportunity.
Not the fucking liberal democrats who had the power and responsibility to get people to vote for them. It’s the minority of leftists who are truly the problem in this country, and pug Jesus will never shut the fuck up about it.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
Not the fucking liberal democrats who had the power and responsibility to get people to vote for them.
You’re absolutely right, our aristocratic overlords are the only ones with any responsibility; it’s okay for ‘leftist’ voters to let Nazis win if the Dem elites aren’t entertaining enough for them. Minority lives are only worth however much they make you feel good for voting at the ballot box.
You’re implying there’s only two options, either vote blue no matter who or enable facism and Nazis. This removes literally all guilt and dismisses legit and continuous criticism of the Democrats actions and shortcomings.
You’re straw-manning leftists arguments as shallow or selfish by making it about “how good you feel voting at the ballot box” yet our critiques are expressly aimed at policy failures of Democrats. We want healthcare, we want to end the wars, we want better foreign policy decisions, etc etc but somehow you can just sum it up as “you want to feel good when voting”
OF COURSE I want to feel good while voting, because I have fucking morals and I do not believe we should actively hand power to people who are not going to follow through with what they say, as the Democrats have done for my entire life paying attention to politics.
You’re completely overlooking accountability of the democratic party in every way, the Democratic Party decides their platform, turnout strategy and need to inspire voters to vote for them. You’re deflecting all blame they absolutely SHOULD GET away from the powerful “aristocracy” as you put it.
You completely ignore structural issues in our voting system like gerrymandering, voter suppression and the two party system itself. You’re blaming individuals for a system we had no hand in creating.
Ultimately you’re just trying to weaponize guilt, overly simplify complex issues to suit your narrative, misrepresent leftist views and evade accountability through emotional arguments.
Look inward and be better, or more likely given your amount of posting, find a different job.
You’re implying there’s only two options, either vote blue no matter who or enable facism and Nazis.
Uh, considering that the two options were “Blue cretin” or “The literal Nazi” in 2024 in a FPTP system where both parties had near-majority support?
Yes. By definition, that’s true.
This removes literally all guilt and dismisses legit and continuous criticism of the Democrats actions and shortcomings.
Fucking what.
Jesus Christ, do you just have an imaginary lib in your head you’re arguing with or something?
You’re completely overlooking accountability of the democratic party in every way, the Democratic Party decides their platform, turnout strategy and need to inspire voters to vote for them. You’re deflecting all blame they absolutely SHOULD GET away from the powerful “aristocracy” as you put it.
Would you like to remind me who elects the people in charge of the Dem party?
Go ahead. Remind me.
You’re straw-manning leftists arguments as shallow or selfish by making it about “how good you feel voting at the ballot box” yet our critiques are expressly aimed at policy failures of Democrats. We want healthcare, we want to end the wars, we want better foreign policy decisions, etc etc but somehow you can just sum it up as “you want to feel good when voting”
OF COURSE I want to feel good while voting, because I have fucking morals and I do not believe we should actively hand power to people who are not going to follow through with what they say, as the Democrats have done for my entire life paying attention to politics.
“We want these things, so we’re going to let the Nazis win”
Fucking brilliant. Enjoy the blood on your hands, Nazi. Glad you felt good about supporting Nazis, at least. It would be horrible if you felt bad about murdering minorities.
Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
PROTIP: It’s the ones who refused to vote against the literal fucking Nazi.
Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
Yes, it was the Democratic leadership, who tried to pull in voters from the party of the Nazis. All while telling the anti-Nazi voters to sit down and shut up. The Dems proudly ran around the stage with Republicans, and moved their policies to the right.
They thought enough of the left still understood how elections worked. I agree it was a dumb strategy to try going after the supposed “moderate Republicans” who aren’t fully in the cult, but the Dems having shit leaders and dumb strategies was not a good reason to help elect Trump.
And what do you expect to gain by berating them? Right now you’re the nazis’ best friend, doing their job for them of keeping their enemies fighting each other.
What do you expect to gain by asspatting them? Other than the continuation of their behavior without consequences? I guess you’re really eager to see this scenario play out again. Anything to put Nazis in power, I guess.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things. If that doesn’t happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.
Is the goal to rally everyone to vote blue with this strategy? How about for the next elections, we look into what leftists’ issues are, and primary someone that will actually win? Because this is a failure of a plan before it’s even going to happen. I want fascism to end as much as you do, but if we are actually serious about ending it, we have to put down our petty squabbles and actually unite against it.
There’s no guarantee that the next election will even involve the Dems as a major party. The goal is to isolate and reduce the prevalence of people abstaining or making protest votes instead of serious strategic decisions because they know they’ll get feted from their core online circlejerks, and asspats from their broader online circles. Can’t fix the former, but we can fix the latter.
And what happens when the leftists decide one of their pet issues is more important than winning, like they did in 2024? What happens if that pet issue is one that isn’t popular amongst the general electorate?
We should work to put leftist candidates in, but no candidate is going to be perfect - even Mamdani already has folk on the left attacking him - it must be emphasized that purity testing is not the way forward.
… so how is asspatting leftists for refusing to unite against it going to help, again? This whole situation is predicated in part on leftists refusing to unite with the anti-fascist coalition candidate with the furthest left platform in my lifetime, and probably since fucking Truman, against a literal Nazi candidate. If your opinion is that we need unity, encouraging self-righteous leftists in playing purity politics seems pretty fucking counterproductive.
Well your current path only helps the nazis, so maybe try something different.
“It only helps the Nazis if you criticize the people who enabled the Nazis!”
Jesus Christ. So many commenters here are determined to defend the feelings of purity politics voters who literally delivered us to the fucking Nazis and will do so again at the first opportunity.
The left enabled nazis - PugJesus
Not the fucking liberal democrats who had the power and responsibility to get people to vote for them. It’s the minority of leftists who are truly the problem in this country, and pug Jesus will never shut the fuck up about it.
It will never cease to amaze me when these people blame the voters, instead of blaming the people with the power, the platform, and the money for where we are today.
You’re absolutely right, our aristocratic overlords are the only ones with any responsibility; it’s okay for ‘leftist’ voters to let Nazis win if the Dem elites aren’t entertaining enough for them. Minority lives are only worth however much they make you feel good for voting at the ballot box.
Alright lets break this down,
You’re implying there’s only two options, either vote blue no matter who or enable facism and Nazis. This removes literally all guilt and dismisses legit and continuous criticism of the Democrats actions and shortcomings.
You’re straw-manning leftists arguments as shallow or selfish by making it about “how good you feel voting at the ballot box” yet our critiques are expressly aimed at policy failures of Democrats. We want healthcare, we want to end the wars, we want better foreign policy decisions, etc etc but somehow you can just sum it up as “you want to feel good when voting”
OF COURSE I want to feel good while voting, because I have fucking morals and I do not believe we should actively hand power to people who are not going to follow through with what they say, as the Democrats have done for my entire life paying attention to politics.
You’re completely overlooking accountability of the democratic party in every way, the Democratic Party decides their platform, turnout strategy and need to inspire voters to vote for them. You’re deflecting all blame they absolutely SHOULD GET away from the powerful “aristocracy” as you put it.
You completely ignore structural issues in our voting system like gerrymandering, voter suppression and the two party system itself. You’re blaming individuals for a system we had no hand in creating.
Ultimately you’re just trying to weaponize guilt, overly simplify complex issues to suit your narrative, misrepresent leftist views and evade accountability through emotional arguments.
Look inward and be better, or more likely given your amount of posting, find a different job.
Uh, considering that the two options were “Blue cretin” or “The literal Nazi” in 2024 in a FPTP system where both parties had near-majority support?
Yes. By definition, that’s true.
Fucking what.
Jesus Christ, do you just have an imaginary lib in your head you’re arguing with or something?
Would you like to remind me who elects the people in charge of the Dem party?
Go ahead. Remind me.
“We want these things, so we’re going to let the Nazis win”
Fucking brilliant. Enjoy the blood on your hands, Nazi. Glad you felt good about supporting Nazis, at least. It would be horrible if you felt bad about murdering minorities.
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Buddy, you’re doing their work for them. Divide and conquer. Right now you are the nazi.
“Divide and conquer”
Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
PROTIP: It’s the ones who refused to vote against the literal fucking Nazi.
Yes, it was the Democratic leadership, who tried to pull in voters from the party of the Nazis. All while telling the anti-Nazi voters to sit down and shut up. The Dems proudly ran around the stage with Republicans, and moved their policies to the right.
They thought enough of the left still understood how elections worked. I agree it was a dumb strategy to try going after the supposed “moderate Republicans” who aren’t fully in the cult, but the Dems having shit leaders and dumb strategies was not a good reason to help elect Trump.
Who is advocating for helping to elect Trump? I certainly wasn’t. I want that PoS out more than I want the Dems out.
And what do you expect to gain by berating them? Right now you’re the nazis’ best friend, doing their job for them of keeping their enemies fighting each other.
What do you expect to gain by asspatting them? Other than the continuation of their behavior without consequences? I guess you’re really eager to see this scenario play out again. Anything to put Nazis in power, I guess.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things. If that doesn’t happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.