Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
PROTIP: It’s the ones who refused to vote against the literal fucking Nazi.
Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
Yes, it was the Democratic leadership, who tried to pull in voters from the party of the Nazis. All while telling the anti-Nazi voters to sit down and shut up. The Dems proudly ran around the stage with Republicans, and moved their policies to the right.
They thought enough of the left still understood how elections worked. I agree it was a dumb strategy to try going after the supposed “moderate Republicans” who aren’t fully in the cult, but the Dems having shit leaders and dumb strategies was not a good reason to help elect Trump.
I was referring to all of the people who are supposed allies and leftists but advocated not voting for Harris when the only possible outcome of not voting for Harris was to empower Trump. I doubt they contributed significantly to Trump winning but regardless, they did exactly what Trump wanted them to do. If you’re one of them, I hope you figure things out and do the right thing if we get a next time.
And what do you expect to gain by berating them? Right now you’re the nazis’ best friend, doing their job for them of keeping their enemies fighting each other.
What do you expect to gain by asspatting them? Other than the continuation of their behavior without consequences? I guess you’re really eager to see this scenario play out again. Anything to put Nazis in power, I guess.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things. If that doesn’t happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things.
Man, they’re not going to back off of their own accord, and moderates now are spooked because, especially after Trump won the popular vote for the first time, most of the party wants to go more moderate, as fucking insane as that is.
By letting Trump win, we’ve sabotaged the left in the DNC, not weakened the moderates.
If that doesn’t happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.
“Neutrality is on the side of the oppressor” - some guy who doesn’t know anything about oppression, I guess
People who stood by and preferred to let Nazis win to the arduous task of [checks notes] casting a vote are absolutely not innocent.
To make a lighter quote with the same meaning, as a Canadian poet once said, “If you choose not to decide/You still have made a choice”
You realize this path you’re barreling down leads to the death of the democratic party, right? Conservative dems aren’t going to draw any more votes, especially with people like you keeping the hate alive.
You realize this path you’re barreling down leads to the death of the democratic party, right?
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Conservative dems aren’t going to draw any more votes, especially with people like you keeping the hate alive.
Of course conservative dems aren’t going to get any more fucking votes. But that’s the message abstainers sent to the DNC when they welcomed in the far-right fascist against the centrist ghoul.
The DNC isn’t interested in fucking leftist organizing or the inner spirit of the fucking people, and it’s pretty unlikely from their actions that they’re going to suddenly realize that their 40-year-old conceptions of the American political electorate as fundamentally fluid instead of calcified are going to suddenly change. They’re interested in what number of voters they can get to support them and their power.
If the message sent is “The right-wing is more powerful”, the DNC will move to attempt to strip votes from the right-wing which acquired more votes than them. Telling them “No, move left after losing to the right-wing!” is claiming that leftists prefer the far-right to centrists - so why would the DNC try to court a demographic which they have no guarantee that they can satisfy to the point where they would be preferred even over literal fucking Nazis? And considering that abstainers display, by definition, no electoral support, and the PSL and Greens garnered sub-1% of the vote, how can one convincingly tell the DNC that becoming a left-party will make them successful, when much ‘purer’ left parties are already miserable, abject failures in this current electorate?
I’m voting for progressive and left-wing candidates in the coming primaries, and I’ll campaign for them too. But our job has become much harder by letting Trump in, regardless of how ‘pure’ it felt to keep Kamala out.
They will never win over the right wing of the US.
Yes, that’s literally what I fucking said.
If they decide to give up on the left chasing them, then it’s nazis forever just like you want.
My entire fucking argument is predicated on the idea that what happened in 2024 was the left driving the DNC away from making concessions to the left.
Sorry that you prefer Nazis to putting in the effort to force the DNC to listen, I understand that a core element of fascist thought is the rejection of filthy ‘intellectual’ types in exchange for a cult of action and mass heroism.
“Divide and conquer”
Would you like to remind me who ‘divided’ and failed to show unity against the literal Nazis in the very real scenario we’re discussing and has already happened?
PROTIP: It’s the ones who refused to vote against the literal fucking Nazi.
Yes, it was the Democratic leadership, who tried to pull in voters from the party of the Nazis. All while telling the anti-Nazi voters to sit down and shut up. The Dems proudly ran around the stage with Republicans, and moved their policies to the right.
They thought enough of the left still understood how elections worked. I agree it was a dumb strategy to try going after the supposed “moderate Republicans” who aren’t fully in the cult, but the Dems having shit leaders and dumb strategies was not a good reason to help elect Trump.
Who is advocating for helping to elect Trump? I certainly wasn’t. I want that PoS out more than I want the Dems out.
I was referring to all of the people who are supposed allies and leftists but advocated not voting for Harris when the only possible outcome of not voting for Harris was to empower Trump. I doubt they contributed significantly to Trump winning but regardless, they did exactly what Trump wanted them to do. If you’re one of them, I hope you figure things out and do the right thing if we get a next time.
And what do you expect to gain by berating them? Right now you’re the nazis’ best friend, doing their job for them of keeping their enemies fighting each other.
What do you expect to gain by asspatting them? Other than the continuation of their behavior without consequences? I guess you’re really eager to see this scenario play out again. Anything to put Nazis in power, I guess.
I expect the conservatives leading the DNC to back off so we can start fixing things. If that doesn’t happen no amount of you making yourself feel better by attacking innocent people will help.
Man, they’re not going to back off of their own accord, and moderates now are spooked because, especially after Trump won the popular vote for the first time, most of the party wants to go more moderate, as fucking insane as that is.
By letting Trump win, we’ve sabotaged the left in the DNC, not weakened the moderates.
“Neutrality is on the side of the oppressor” - some guy who doesn’t know anything about oppression, I guess
People who stood by and preferred to let Nazis win to the arduous task of [checks notes] casting a vote are absolutely not innocent.
To make a lighter quote with the same meaning, as a Canadian poet once said, “If you choose not to decide/You still have made a choice”
You realize this path you’re barreling down leads to the death of the democratic party, right? Conservative dems aren’t going to draw any more votes, especially with people like you keeping the hate alive.
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Of course conservative dems aren’t going to get any more fucking votes. But that’s the message abstainers sent to the DNC when they welcomed in the far-right fascist against the centrist ghoul.
The DNC isn’t interested in fucking leftist organizing or the inner spirit of the fucking people, and it’s pretty unlikely from their actions that they’re going to suddenly realize that their 40-year-old conceptions of the American political electorate as fundamentally fluid instead of calcified are going to suddenly change. They’re interested in what number of voters they can get to support them and their power.
If the message sent is “The right-wing is more powerful”, the DNC will move to attempt to strip votes from the right-wing which acquired more votes than them. Telling them “No, move left after losing to the right-wing!” is claiming that leftists prefer the far-right to centrists - so why would the DNC try to court a demographic which they have no guarantee that they can satisfy to the point where they would be preferred even over literal fucking Nazis? And considering that abstainers display, by definition, no electoral support, and the PSL and Greens garnered sub-1% of the vote, how can one convincingly tell the DNC that becoming a left-party will make them successful, when much ‘purer’ left parties are already miserable, abject failures in this current electorate?
I’m voting for progressive and left-wing candidates in the coming primaries, and I’ll campaign for them too. But our job has become much harder by letting Trump in, regardless of how ‘pure’ it felt to keep Kamala out.
They will never win over the right wing of the US. If they decide to give up on the left chasing them, then it’s nazis forever just like you want.
Yes, that’s literally what I fucking said.
My entire fucking argument is predicated on the idea that what happened in 2024 was the left driving the DNC away from making concessions to the left.
Sorry that you prefer Nazis to putting in the effort to force the DNC to listen, I understand that a core element of fascist thought is the rejection of filthy ‘intellectual’ types in exchange for a cult of action and mass heroism.