• BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    I really hate calling rightists “centrist” or “moderate” simply because the party they’re registered to is less right-wing than actual fascists.

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    While progressives often get accused of undermining the Democratic Party, the evidence shows that it’s the moderate wing that most often violates the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” principle

    No! 🤣

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    Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

    They value one and only one thing - gorging themselves at the soft money trough. They don’t give a shit about the voters, the party, the country, or even winning elections - they’re just going to keep on doing whatever it takes to keep the billionaires and the corporations and even the genocidists pouring money into their gaping maws, even if it means betraying all of us.

    They aren’t just the greatest threat within the Democratic party - they’re the greatest threat to the left generally - even more of a threat than the Republicans are. They’re the main reason that Trump got onto office in the first place and the main reason that he’s succeeded in doing as much harm as he has already.

    And honestly, at this point I’m not even going to be surprised if they sabotage the midterms and keep the Republicans in power - if that’s what their big money donors want, that’s what they’ll give them.

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    In the rest of the western world, centrist US Democrats are definitely moderate-right.

    Generally, centrists look at holding a degree of conservatism with the idea that ultimately progressing is a very good thing at the end of the day. They usually don’t block progress, they just influence the rate or level of it, generally concerned of too much or too quick.

    US centrists are definitely not this. Many US leftists are not this. The US Democratic Party is seen as light to moderate right-wing. The Republican being (one of) the most extreme right-wing in the developed world.


    Edit: Oh my. The thumbs get a bit large on the phone’s soft keys after some wines.

    I’d like to add, genuine centrists should get the praise they deserve at times. They are the most level-headed and least selfish in their intent—again “genuine centrists” not the common US variety.

    However, they are not the people you want in charge of getting out of situations that require immediate action. They’re like the “We should split up to cover more ground” person in horror films. While other times being the “We should split up to flank them” person when other fools want to rush in. They’re typically not someone you want to be, but at times they’re someone you’re glad was there. They’re the most likely to be in a “I told you so” position to lefts and rights. Smarmy twats…

    It’s hard to imagine, but the world would be so much more divided and chaotic without them. Just be wary of anyone that claims to be a centrist but clearly isn’t. It is often used fallaciously.


    Edit Edit: Having said that, I say this from a position people would say is left-centrist. In the US I would be considered moderate-left to “a spineless limp-wristed hippie socialist” depending on who you asked. But I’m entirely opposed to the concept of a two-dimensional spectrum when it comes to political and social views. It’s so basic and outdated. People that conform to that ideaoogy are literally simpletons. It’s just easy to use for a fly-by situation report before getting into the actual details. As such, centrism is more “misc” than it is grey.

    Some pure transparency of my opinions for y’all. Refreshing, ain’t it?

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      The US Democrats are more like far right with gay rights imo. Invading foreign countries all the time, rampant neoliberalism, some pretense around fighting racism but enabling systemic racism, priding themselves in mass deportations, prevention of universal healthcare, upholding a debt driven for profit higher education system…

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      They usually don’t block progress, they just influence the rate or level of it, generally concerned off too much or too quick.

      Those are the exact same thing.

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        They usually don’t block progress, they just influence the rate or level of it, generally concerned off too much or too quick.

        Those are the exact same thing.

        points to pile of bricks on the ground

        “Damn. That solid wall has stopped any further progress.”

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    The liberal left attacking each other (and skipping out on Election Day) is gold to conservatives and fascists. They are likely encouraging this behavior to continue. It’s worked well for them in recent years.

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      Your ridiculous and eternal uniparty politics is gold to the rest of the world.
      Finally paying off, and all of you are guilty.
      No sympathy here, suffer, you deserved it fully.

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      And performative politics while gouging any actual left leaning new blood obviously should be rewarded by towing the line. Vote blue no matter who, huh?

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      Plus, there are 5% more republicans than democrats. That’s a huge difference that will decide if a person gets elected or reelected.