We’re about to experience the darkest period of American history in our lifetimes.
Hope everyone is ready.
I’m buying guns.
Cant buy a firearm in my state, recent laws make it more expensive and too many hoops to jump through. It seems easier to obtain it illegally as shootings in urban areas with young gang kids happens every night but no one is writing laws to curb that gun violence.
What state? And did you check different types of firearms? I’m in NY and long guns like rifles and shotguns were less hoops. Picked up a shotgun recently because of this gestapo crap.
Totally not advocating violence but have you looked into PCP rifles (or handguns). They are not the air rifles of my childhood, they are quite impressive. Most importantly they aren’t considered firearms so you can get them in lots of flavors (single shot, semi auto, full auto) mailed right to your door. Lots of calibers to choose from (I think I’ve seen a couple .72 caliber out there), but I’m a fan of small calibers for the cost (500 shots for around $10 if going with cheap 14.3 gr pellets).
My current favorite is an air venturi avenger in .22 caliber. I get around 40-60 shots between airing it up, I used a hand pump for a few months but could never get much above 3,000 psi, with a relatively cheap compressor I get it up to around 4,300 psi (4,300 is the max for mine, I usually stop it a little shy).
Make one.
New Jersey or California?
WA
Americans, please rise and applaud your very own, newly minted, Gestapo
But don’t you worry, nothing to worry about, always remember “yOu ARe nOT ThERe yeT” and bravely sit back down
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave… my ass
ICE is starting a civil war, at some point they are going to start getting killed.
Pretty sure it’s more a boiling frogs situation. If you’re not at the point of putting yourself in mortal danger fighting ICE, it’s likely your neighbors aren’t either.
While the analogy fits pretty well with human nature, the premise is faulty: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog.
I’m not disputing your comment or what you’re saying, I think you’re right. Just thought you’d be interested in knowing the frog would jump out.
That’s news to me regarding what the frog would do. So the revised meaning of boiling frog is to say that there is only so much pain a person or populace will tolerate before taking action. Not that by the time it’s too hot it’s too late.
Which is considerably more hopeful when you think about it. However the amount of damage already done is staggering.
Regardless of how we feel about frogs and stimuli my point that Americans don’t have a breaking point vs ICE still stands.
Says you.
Yup, that’s the guy who said my comment. It was me.
You literally just said “Americans.” You are speaking for Americans. You don’t know what you said means?
Edit- Dude edited his message after getting called out for lying.
Yeah, hence “at some point.”
Are you familiar with the boiling frog analogy?
Yes. Hence I wrote “at some point.”
I don’t think you understand the analogy.
Oh I do. I don’t think you understand me.
Maybe. But the point of the analogy is that people under incremental changes are far less likely to revolt against those changes. Not that people under incremental changes eventually revolt against those changes.
This is step I. Next step is to make them Trump’s personal policing force.
Here’s a breakdown in the funding.
Category Current Funding (2024) Proposed Funding (2025) Total ICE Budget $13.5 billion $170 billion Detention Budget $3.5 billion $45 billion Enforcement Operations $10 billion $29.9 billion Border Wall Construction – $46.6 billion State Reimbursement Grants – $10 billion Military Deployment Funding – $1 billion It includes hiring 10,000 ICE agents in the next five years.
Well for all those new grads and people getting laid off, there is some good news!
Gearing up for the death camps
You mean Alligator Alcatraz? Concentration camps are already a work in progress.
*Alligator Auschwitz.
Alligator Alcatraz costs about $500 million for 5000 inmates, or $100,000 per inmate.
That $45 billion detention budget is enough for 450,000 inmates. The US has about 2 million people incarcerated.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
Open ze door, zis is de gestapo!
As an American this makes me weep. We saw this coming from miles away yet here we are.
Those who study world history know damn well that history repeats itself and this “timeline” is a well worn one. We already know where this goes.
I don’t know what to think about those who voted for this consciously and even worse those in power who continue to enable this. I hope these people get the outcome they deserve.
For those who voted for this without understanding, let’s hope the next government can find a way to better educate you, as this one has let you down.
We’ll only get the democracy that we can manage to keep.
We’ll only get the democracy that we can manage to keep.
So, none.
I will never trust or have love for this country again. Too many stupids.
We’ll only get the democracy that we can manage to keep.
Sorry, but I think you’re past that — you’ll need to take it back by force.
Force is not the only way. A general strike would work too because it hits the rich where it hurts: their money. The billionaires already had it good under democracy. If they think they will have it better with Trump in jail, he will be behind bars in a blink.
Unionizing and any sort of association for a shared goal are great tools for the common people, often demonized for some reason…
let’s hope the next government can find a way to better educate you, as this one has let you down.
If you are talking about the education system then yes.
But let’s not gloss over the fact that you can’t rely on the government to teach you why what the government is doing is wrong. That is the job of the opposition party. It is the job of political parties to explain why their policies are better.
It’s the Democrats who has failed you first and foremost. Then the media. Then the education system.
And honestly, even above the Democrats, it is the two party system that robbed you of choices. In any functional democracy, the Democrats wouldn’t survive as they are now. They would either have to improve or be replaced.
I don’t know what to think about those who voted for this
Compassion. They voted for this out of despair
It’s very strange timing to do this at a huge scale as the US economy is teetering and the dollar is spiraling. Bread and circuses is the playbook for a reason, their tax bill is going to hit like a brick wall for a lot of Americans. And instead of your pop-pop getting his Medicare check you’re now seeing that spent on concentration camps in your back yard.
There’s a limit to fear mongering and strong arming when it pushes against economic reality. No amount of crackdowns will help when bread costs $20/loaf, international money stops coming in, and the job market crashes all in less than a few years. It’s one thing to manufacture a crisis but they might be burning the Reichstag a little too hot.
In Weimer Germany, that loaf hyperinflated to at least $1,000, and would double by the end of a day.
As a bronze lining, at least hyperinflation would happen to the Trump Regime and should cause quite a bit of blowback. It was the Weimer’s economic problems that installed Hitler. With any luck, we will see Trump hanging by his feet, and AOC hard at work at his former desk.
The cuts don’t come through until after the '26 elections. Fucking Republican cunts will point their short little pudgy fingers at Dems and say,“What did you do?” and idiot fucking voters (or even more idiot single issue non-voters) will grab it like a trout going after a fly.
It’s the same as resisting early nazi germany, except now there are cameras and AI’s preventing subtle sabotage. And if you tell anyone about it, the whole militarized apparatus crashes down on you.
and you get your account banned on sites like Reddit. If you’re still using that site guess what, you’re having a pint in a nazi bar.
Oh don’t worry, already permanently suspended.
I’ve been banned from Reddit around 20+ times just for things like this. Any progressive talking point I push, and it doesnt matter the sub mind you, insta perma banned.
We were told this was going to happen by those that are making it happen. And still 91 million people chose not to vote. Of those 91 million people- was enough make the difference between keeping out democracy, and….
This.
I hope the smug arrogance of your little protest of the trade-agreement support of weapons to a country committing genocide is going to be enough to keep you properly blinded to the suffering of so many others as a result of your stubborn refusal to see the bigger picture-
This is your fucking fault.
Stop it. This sort of cope is completely unproductive. I understand that you need to find someone to blame but those are also the people you need to get out of this mess. You clearly couldn’t avoid it without them. Be like Mamdani - ask why, understand and if you’re gonna blame, blame the ones who actually hold power.
I understand that you need to find someone to blame
Yes. The people whose fault it is.
People don’t get to escape accountability just because we need their vote in a potential future election.
People will suffer and die because of these morons. I mean, everyone is going to suffer to some degree because of them. It’s entirely acceptable to call them out. Letting them escape accountability doesn’t fix anything. You don’t learn anything when your mistakes are brushed off and you’re embraced without acceptance of fault.
They acted like petty children. Now we’re all suffering. Some WAY more than others. Yes, fuck them.
Calling people out in this way does not typically result in corrective action. People do not get the conclusions they do because of their internal sources of wisdom. Instead they, and us, largely compute our conclusions based on the information we receive. The vast majority of that information is flowing via corporate channels, which funnel the right information to get corporate-friendly conclusions. The fact that me and you are talking on a socialist platform is such an outlier, driven by so much luck and extra work we’ve been able to do that it’s nothing short of a miracle. If the information reaching the people you call out doesn’t change, they won’t draw different conclusions and instead tell you to go fuck yourself, to your face, or at the ballot box. We can’t change the corporate channels at the moment. The only information that reaches them that could be different is our voices, through social channels. This is why I’m saying that we should use that to feed new information that could potentially put some cracks in the corporate propaganda. If that information is I-told-you-so, it’s probably not going to do that. Empathy, understanding, information, helping them see what we see could. This is a class war and we don’t have a chance if we fight our class (when we have a choice). I assume you also work for a wage or a salary like me and most Trump voters.
Staying home on election day was a bad idea, sure.
But what about the dozens of millions of fucknuts who got off their ass to go vote FOR this?
They’re traitors to democracy, our Constitution, and the United States in general.
And hopefully they get what’s coming to them.
It really is crazy how normalized it’s become.
Any evidence that it was actually progressives staying home out of a protest vote that cost Kamala the election? This seems like wishful thinking on the part of liberals. The polling I’ve seen and the progressives I know all held their nose and voted for Kamala. Kamala lost because she couldn’t convince enough low-engagement voters to come to the polls. They didn’t vote not because of genocide, but because they didn’t feel Kamala was going do anything to improve their lives. Biden won by adopting a lot of Bernie’s social welfare programs, and Kamala walked away from most of that. Obviously the concerns for democracy was real, but people value democracy a hell of a lot less than you might think. People have lost faith in democracy from cycle after cycle of their votes not mattering. They can either vote for a Republican that will help the rich or a Democrat that will help the rich a bit less.
Remember, the US doesn’t actually have any kind of meaningful mass democracy, and it never has. It is only the opinions of the top 5-10% wealthiest of the people that have any influence at all on actual policies that are passed. The poorest 90% of US citizens have never lived in a democracy. That’s why running on preserving democracy failed. Only the upper middle class and rich get democracy, so the working class saw no reason to fight for it.
Any evidence that it was actually progressives staying home out of a protest vote that cost Kamala the election?
I don’t care whether it was the straw that broke the camel’s back or not.
They didn’t know whether they were making the difference or not when they cast, or didn’t cast, their vote. They’re fucking morons that knowingly jeopardized our democracy. Our rights. They deserve to be chastised.
You don’t care because you just want your five minutes of hate. The point is that the progressives you’re hating on did exactly what you claim you wanted them to do. They held their nose and voted for Harris. You’re just shit looking to shit on progressives.
As usual “vote blue no matter who” is a one-way street. Progressives will vote for moderates, but moderates will turn around and blame their failures on the very progressives who voted for them. It’s despicable. You’re no different than MAGA. You just wear a different color shirt.
ROFL!
The same response you get from Trumpers when you point out any of their lies or comforting myths. Blue MAGA indeed.
The only response to ice is targeted, coordinated civil (?) resistance. Wherever they show up, show up with more people and guns than ice has
Oh please… Americans are too afraid about losing their shitty jobs to even talk about joining a Union… do you really think they’ll organize an armed rebellion?
I dont think that’s viable really.
They’re going to have lots of hardware.
The other option is unchecked authoritarianism.
The US failed to succeed against ~100,000 Taliban in a country they could bomb and burn freely.
It cost the US 2 Trillion dollars for the war including expenses for hardware such as the 362,484 bombs they dropped.
The population of the US is ~347 Million.
If even 0.1% of the population actually decided to do something and made a coordinated effort, the US would be up against three times as many people and wouldn’t be able to bomb them nearly as easily.
The US also really, really does not want anything like this happening in their borders, because it would interfere majorly with cash flow from it’s citizens to itself as well as it’s businesses it’s in bed with. It also can’t kill a lot of it’s own people, because again, the money would go away. This means the more people that would oppose them, the less they could kill or capture without destroying themselves.
For this reason I think it’s probably more viable than most people suspect.
The only real problem is that it’s only flesh and blood that affirm freedoms gain, and people generally either feel well off enough that they don’t want to do anything, or are simply too afraid to do anything.
In any event, no one ever wants to be the first one to act. They usually wait on someone else to first.
ICE is being set up to lead the theft of the midterms. I don’t mean by just trying to prevent non-white people from voting either, but as the extrajudicial gestapo it is. Americans won’t have to be non-white to worry about having their citizenship suspended soon enough.
Operation Reduce Non-White Vote underway. They clearly rigged the Presidential election results. The results were statistically normal everywhere except in the 7 swing states, where Trump won even though Democrats won the rest of the way down the ballot, and he won by margins that were just shy of what would trigger automatic audits. These anomalies were in the swing states only.
Man, democrats really are just the Republicans of a few election cycles ago, which now includes Qanon style conspiracy theories
The Republican conspiracy claims were completely baseless, and were proven so. They filed dozens of lawsuits and lost every single one. This election has stark statistical anomalies worth investigating.
Lol, let me know when you file a successful lawsuit for your conspiracies then. Somehow I’m betting failing to do so won’t dissuade you.
I’m not filing anything, I’m just seeing that there’s strong evidence of crimes, which is how crimes get solved. Hopefully we’ll find out.
Yeah, the Qanon types also claim strong evidence of crimes
Yeah we live in the Fascist States of America. They’re just fully mask-off racist now.
I have my game plan ready for ICE, I’m willing to gamble on jury nullification.
Do you think you’ll make it to the stage where you have a jury?
30% chance
Lol, gamblers tend to lose
