Other countries, however, do get dragged into America’s wars.
The US is the only ever to invoke article 5, requiring other countries to come to its aid. It did that after Sept 11th. Fair enough, other countries were pulled in and helped out. Then the US tried to roll that war in Afghanistan into another war in Iraq. Various countries like France and Canada refused to participate. The threats and anger directed at them for not joining in was huge. Other countries like the UK didn’t fight it much and were pulled into that war.
I was under the impression when we say “dragged” we meant by our out-of-touch oligarchical leaders.
The exception being desert storm which we all like to blame Bush half-jokingly for but we were legit just really horned up to go to war. Like holy damn so fucking thirsty for it. There was no other word to describe that besides just straight up bloodlust but we kind of like to pretend we didn’t want it.
I don’t know, they are pretty in tune with their pocket book most of the time.
The US as a country is dragged into wars by its warmongering leaders.
None of us want this shit.I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on Lemmy make the distinction between Netanyahu and the people of Israel, so im not gonna name the distinction between you and Trump. And that’s just the more recent example. You guys treated all my people like the enemy when it was time to use us as the excuse for war. I got to suffer because of your country, and which of you supported it is irrelevant if that’s how we’re gonna look at it
What? People talk about the nation of Israel and its government as the ones doing this. They blame the IDF for carrying out the orders. I have never seen blanket blaming of the larger Israeli population or the Jewish people writ large - aside from actual anti-semmites.
In fact I’ve seen many people talk about how the Zionists control the government but do not represent the nation.
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America doesn’t know who it is if it’s not killing someone.
That’s why we’ve been at war for all but 17 years of our existence.
Stop expecting that to change.
Don’t expect it to change. Force it to.
Me and what army?
I don’t even have a holocaust cloak
Well, if you’re ever in Ohio, you’ve got at least one extra member, and there might be a certain aquatic horse nearby that could lend support.
I don’t think the three of us can accomplish much by force though…
I’ve got a wheelbarrow though.
You’re right, we should just continue to do nothing.
You made the suggestion of forcing it.
You figure out how it’s done.
I’m not American. I organize in my own country. You guys say this shit like there aren’t whole books, historical context, organizations and the like that you can reference to. But what it is is that you just can’t get past the part of having to actually do something and take risks to save yourselves.
I agree, we’re fucking pathetic. Maybe we’ll do something if Trump taxes tea.
I have also seen that infographic and they are very generous with a lot of their timetables. For instance, they count the entire Cold War. If you want to include covert military operations and funding of rebel groups, well then an awful lot of nations have been engaged in war for 80%+ of their existence lol
It is true that the US is a war mongering nation. But the 17 years thing is bordering on the intellectually dishonest.
“If you redefine military action then America is only 10x worse!”
That’s not what I said and you know it.
The US is a warmongering, meddlesome nation. You don’t need to make up/reference incorrect numbers to make the point. It simply undermines it.
I would have hoped the quotes indicated a joke but I guess not
It looked more like you were mocking what I said, my bad
all the middle east seems to need from my layman ass opinion is that they need to be left the fuck alone.
we can tell for absolute sure, from decades of “experimentation”, western intervention isnt working.
She gotta point…the most powerful deal maker in the world(according to Trump) couldn’t make a deal and resorted to violence
Having this option is what makes deal makers powerful
This way of thinking is why the US sucks so bad at diplomacy
They got all the best weapons. Here’s one page from the Raytheon catalog Bibi was leafing through the other day, circling one thing after another.
AIM-9X Romper Room baby-seeking missile (can explode in Star of David or menorah pattern).
BGU-12 Camp Camp refugee tent buster bomb (selectable dreidel or challah bread pattern).
YAL-2 Big Beautiful Beam anti food-aid-worker energy weapon (plays Havah Nagelah at every use).Available in blue and white.
Includes free F-35 internal bomb bay rotary magazine. (Contact factory for F-15EX hardpoint stations.) Please allow 4-6 weeks for delivery, FOB Arlington County, Virginia to Tel Aviv, DC. Proudly made in America. Ask about toy merchandising rights for Christmas 2025!
All he had to do to not join the Isreali-Iran war was literally nothing
Damn, if they got “dragged” I would love to be “dragged” into owning a 50 acre woodland area with a small stream, a clearing for expanding my food garden, and maybe have a few free range chickens with a small but over-engineered house…
I didn’t know you could be dragged while leading the charge…
@SoftestSapphic It may be a policy choice but often one involving Mossad false flags or Epstein Island video blackmail.
I think it’s the American people that feel dragged into war.
Let’s also not pretend that regimes like Iran don’t need to be bombed for many good reasons.
Not the people, but the regime.
Listen, Biden isn’t Netanyahu. Biden does not control Netanyahu. Biden sent weapons and ammo to Israel but also withheld large bombs bought and paid for by Israel, and white house staff leaked he would often swear at Netanyahu over the phone for the civilian casualties and attacks on Rafah. Netanyahu felt the need to travel to the US congress and beg for more assistance, he was pressured.
If you want evidence of Biden’s lukewarm opposition to genocide, look no further than what is happening under Trump: tanks on the ground in West Bank for the first time in decades, babies starving, Pete Hegseth openly promoting mass exodus or death of every Palestinian.
