There is significant politicization of genocide declarations. They are all declared by fascist US empire and its slave controlled democracy colonies. There is very obvious extensive video evidence of extermination policies for Palestinians.
China responded to 2014 terrorist attacks with education and job creation programs. Xinxiang has had decent prosperity and population growth compared to other Chinese provinces despite a BDS policy from US controlled empire. The “technical genocide” accusation is based on a handful of Uyghur women with 4+ children who somehow all got to the UK, and claimed to now be sterile. Uyghurs had historically been exempt from Chinese one child policy.
Political demonism happens independently of facts. There are historical tensions in Xinxiang between Uyghur/muslim majority and relatively more prosperous Han minority, but Chinese policies are far more egalitarian than Alabama policies with much higher inequality. China has made the most humanist response to terrorism in history of civilization, even if it is not above criticism.
Ah tankies
My Tribe is made up of people who refuse to have a Tribe.
this is true and you should say it. I’m sorry about the people who will be assholes about it.
Every day you wake up in the morning you can open up your phone and check new videos of murdered and mutilated children in Palestine at the hands of Israel.
You can go on a google search to find images of the 1989 Tiananmen protest and the violence that took place, very gore stuff. We’re talking 1989, most cameras were analog, bulky and visible, and required professional developing afterwards. As censored as that’s been in China, you can still find plenty of photo evidence of violence in and against the protests.
Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn’t a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn’t been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?
I googled it and found a literal trove of evidence.
Here’s a starting point since it’s eluded you for so long.
Not a shred of photographic evidence
That is misleading. Why did authorities try to stop BBC from filming?
such an embarrassing propaganda nothing burger. BBC propaganda crew being stopped from filming proves any demonic lie they made? Where is armed “supervisors”, where is barbed wire surrounding factories? “victims of communism” organization is a nazi front. BBC a CIA propaganda arm. OMG a job recruitment ad mentioned the “glory of work” in its marketing appeal. Must be mind control forced labour.
Because BBC is a British state media company, and it has motives to create anti-china propaganda. The EU famously forbade access to Russian media after the invasion of Ukraine, do you think this is to prevent the outside world from seeing the horrors of the EU? Is there Chinese state media presence in US congress press releases?
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone? How did they not manage in 1989 with a reduced number of analog cameras which would need professional development, but they can manage in the smartphone era where a Chinese citizen can upload a picture on the internet 10 seconds after taking it?
Any source from anywhere could be propaganda. Here is your chance to debunk the BBC report if you want.
You are confusing banning news production by foreigners with banning transmission of foreign news.
BBC probably did make it difficult for Russian state news to access UK social media users after Russia invaded Ukraine for their “three day special operation” (obviously a lie from the start). They probably did not forbid access to the Russian journalists wanting to film in the UK.
China probably forbids BBC news with their great internet firewall. I know they ban the Tiananmen Square massacre imagery.
I don’t think UK forbids Chinese from filming in UK. China did not forbid BBC from filming in China either but they did try to forbid filming the detention centre.
Again: how does China stop every single Uyghur adult from taking pics with their smartphone?
Not “every single Uygur”, just the ones locked up. That is how detention works, even in the West.
Except there’s evidence, and not just satellite photos of internment camps. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hacked-chinese-government-files-gives-new-insights-on-the-mass-detention-of-ethnic-uighurs
You can continue to hang onto some conspiracy-theory-esque logic of “but it doesn’t make sense”, or you can face reality. There are enough hurdles to getting a photo on the internet and then noticed by the wider public that it’s entirely explainable.
Thanks, I hadn’t seen that. What strikes me as odd is that neither side mentions a huge factor in the conflict: China’s investment in the “belt & road” initiative which relies on the old “Silk Road” route which passes through Xinjiang.
The Uighurs did have an independence separatist movement (China isn’t paranoid) and it would disrupt these plans. China aint letting go of its tight grip any time soon.
This instance has made me realize that I am an anarchist. What a strange world… No regrets, thank you guys.
Same here I beliving in Anarchy more as a fight to concentration of power which concecuences are in full display in any news outlet. I’m also starting to feel kinda inclined to solarpunk.
I just don’t think we’re meant to live in large numbers tbh.
You take the average opinion of 200 million people, apply it to everyone, and nobody will be happy with it.
the fediverse is inherently propaganda for the possibility of anarchism
Isn’t one of the main lemmy devs a staunch communist?
Right-out tankie. But then broken clocks are right twice a day.
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean is the difect intention or that it has to be enforced we can find our own meaning.
Hell yeah welcome to the struggle.
Just remember you don’t need to agree with every mainstream anarchist take to call yourself an anarchist. That’s the best part and one of many things that set this movement a cut above other leftist movements.
We are happy to have you! 🥰 There is an anarchist book i highly recommend. You can read all of it or just pick sections you find interesting.
People ask “how can anarchism work? Don’t we need a boss?” Or “How would things be managed?”. And this book explains it very well :)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-gelderloos-anarchy-works
It’s even available in audiobook form by audible anarchism
We’re glad to have you here 🫡
Please don’t take this the wrong way, what do Anarchists do irl that is making a difference? From what I see, most of the posting is leftist views, but what seperates them from other left leaning groups aside from viewpoints?
Personally, I help run a makerspace. In fact, I had been doing that for years before calling myself an anarchist; seeing how things work in a volunteer community makerspace is what made me think that maybe, just maybe, we actually can run society in an anarchist way. Yeah, things are a little messy there sometimes, but in the end, I think we do get the stuff done that needs to get done. People are a little less dependent on a capitalist system because of it, and learn a little more to rely on their local community.
Politically, I tend to work alongside a lot of socialists. Anything that takes us towards improving unions and mutual aid is good for me. Partially, this is also because anarchist groups are notoriously inconsequential. It’s a lot of “I’ll get this done, right after I have this joint”. Socialists are more like “lets get this done, then have an edible”. One of these is more productive than the other.
Prefiguration.
The idea of resisting domination by living outside it. Creating your own grassroots community structures without state or corporate control.
A focus on organizing in horizontal power structures.
A focus on direct action over electoralism?
I might be wrong but I feel that anarchy is on slightly different axis (like x vs y) than simple left/right divide, but definitively more to the left than right. Different means, similar goals?
I yield to more experienced anarchists here for explanation, I’m just learning to be one!
However, I remember one trip with my dad when I was a teen. We were talking, I can’t remember about what exactly, him exclaiming “You must be some kind of anarchist!” to summarize my own worldview stuck with me to this day.
When I was applying to this instance, this has somehow resonated with me
https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-anarchist-code-of-conduct/
Am I an anarchist or just a sane reasonable person? I have some reading to do… but I have the gut feeling.
I think the left/right divide is pretty bullshit, it gets rid of a lot of nuance in any political discussion.
Am I an anarchist
I recommend you read: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-are-you-an-anarchist-the-answer-may-surprise-you
Agreed. Even the political compass is just an imperfect model.
I think a better model is a connected graph. A socialist advocating for unions and an anarcho-syndcalist are going to have a direct connection. So does an ancap and a christian advocating the prosperity gospel. But you’ll have to go through a lot of steps in the graph to connect ancaps and anarcho-syndcalists, because as we all know, the two have nothing to do with each other.
Me posting this meme with the full knowledge that it might make it to “All” and generate a shitshow of a comment section
This community is just popular enough to make it to /all, but not popular enough to drown out all the liberals/tankies that come here.
I phrased this horribly sorry
Turn off your notifications mate. And don’t return to the scene of the crime
But where’s the fun in that?!
Beautiful.
Don’t even have to be an anarchist, just have to have at least partial hearing and/or vision.
Not even. I’m deaf and have terrible vision. In fact I was functionally blind for 8 months. And I can still see it!
Okay, have to have at least partial use of at least one sense.
So basically not be in a deep coma? Because I don’t think there is a disability where you losing touch hearing sight and smell.
I was going to suggest “be awake” and then realised I had accidentally re-invented the term “woke”
You’d have to get a bunch of ailments all at once. Deep coma is much simpler. Anyways, very obvious, most of us only, at most lack 1 or 2 senses. There’s no excuses for any of us to not “see” any of this.
You don’t even need a brain. Just a heart.
we need to get more people off reddit and twitter and onto lemmy
True, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to the post.
we are all stuck between a rock and hard place of reddit and twitter.
Tankies: handing out “genocide denial” bans for calling Ukraine a genocide.
You can simultaneously condemn the invasion of Ukraine and understand that false claims of genocide are harmful against people suffering genocide
Your comment being a good example of tankies denying Ukrainian genocide.
Putin kills Ukrainian civilians, not because of their religion or genetics or culture but to terrorise them into submission so that they encourage their military to give up so that he gets to plunder their land and resources.
This is very different to the universally accepted definition of genocide as applies to The Holocaust, Rwanda, Cambodia.
Ireland is trying to get the ICJ to broaden the UN definition of genocide to include both the Ukraine and Gaza tragedies.
Idiots have decided the new definition of genocide is simply “when one side kills a bunch of people on the other side” and get angry when you point out how infantile that is.
I’m once again asking liberals to join xiaohongshu and see the uighur culture being celebrated openly. Crossnational meetups with turkish people comparing turkish to ughric, large streetfestivals and so so many videos sharing the language, alphabet, cuisine, music, stories, attire all on a chinese app for chinese people. If nothing else learn about the culture that is supposedly being genocided from the uyghurs themselves.
Admittedly I don’t use 小红书, so I don’t know for sure, but it is the commercialised and commodified kind of culture?
Because I remember back when I was in China and visited the Tarim Basin it was quite harrowing. Hami and to a lesser extent Kashgar felt pretty hostile to Uighurs.
I, as a non-Han person, had to go in the non-Han line at the railway station. But unlike the non-white foreigners in the line, I was given a seat in the shade out of the 40+°C heat, and could use the water machine while I waited, unlike the locals.
I also saw all the Uighur girls at school with their shaved heads. People were scared, and the word for school, 学校, was treated with horror.
Maybe just an apatheid society, but the fact that sites of religious, cultural, and historical significance have been knocked down or turned into a tourist trap (Grand Mosque in Umruqi, the Mosque in Central Kashgar whose name I forgot), does seem the culture is being worn down.
Also saw the police beating people in Kashgar market to make sure they closed their shops at 7pm Beijing time, not 7pm Xinjiang time… Because all of China must be one time zone.
You’ll also see other ethnicities’ costumes, and parades on social media. But they’re not allowed to talk their languages at school and their festivals don’t get to exist outside of being for tourists, and they don’t get the leeway with laws than Han people do.
nice but i think the liberals forgot about the uyghur genocide….
The imperial core didn’t forget so much as it gave up trying to manufacture consent after the UN rejected its allegations.
What are the people who don’t see every issue as a binary black hat or white hat thing that fits in a meme?
Even the UN gave up on pretending the Uighur genocide is real, you’re pushing outdate propaganda
The UN, where the CCP has veto powers?
China doesn’t have veto power over the UN Human Rights Council, which voted to reject debating this any further, over 2½ years ago: https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
We don’t allow Xitter links on on dbzer0, can you please change the link to https://xcancel.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 or a screenshot instead? Thanks
ok done
Thanks!
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/asia/uyghurs-muslim-countries-china-intl
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2021/08/08/2003762216
So the story is that the US and our allies, who have spent decades villifying imprisoning and killing muslims, and who have repeatedly verifiably lied about similar human rights abuses to justify our foreign policy before, are the only ones who can be trusted to tell the truth about the conditions for muslims who just happen to be living in the country which is our single greatest global rival politically and economically, about whom we have an extremely obvious foreign policy motive for lying, but we’re definitely telling the truth this time and everyone else is lying? Every muslim majority nation on earth is apparently only supporting China because they’re either corrupt or too terrified to oppose them, despite the fact that the US has been completely unable to get similar results for Israel with our best efforts? And despite having the most advanced surveillance technology on earth, despite having satellites that can take high resolution pictures of any patch of dirt on earth and an unmatched intelligence network, the US has somehow been unable to obtain any incontrovertible physical evidence of this supposed genocide for years? And you believe that?
The US is not to be trusted and loves to manipulate the narrative. It’s good to fact check it, as the US does not have the Uighur people’s lived experience at heart.
Unfortunately, not does the PRC (and inviting journalists from friendly Muslim nations to talk to locals on camera to say everything is fine is one way to narrative shift and give a good media blitz). And while the PRC is probably not targeting Uighurs for organ harvesting any more than any other inmates in the prison system, it is a not a great situation for them there.
There are/were prison camps which provide “vocational training/reeducation”. The many non-Han people of the area are clearly second class citizens, and their cultural spaces have been commodified and turned into tourist spots.
Edit: Bitter Winter also has some stuff, but it’s bloggy and declared by China as “a hostile overseas media operation” … So your milage may vary?
Is this an actually good faith inquiry? Are you that deep in the kool aid?
Is this a good faith question? Or are you just looking for a convenient excuse to ignore my argument without having to actually address it? If you have an answer that makes sense, or see a problem with my logic or sources, then I’d love to hear it.
I’m just a bit incredulous that you actually think this argument would be convincing to anyone.
You don’t see any reason why dictators of Muslim countries might want to say nice things about China despite obvious abuses against the Uighurs?
I’ve got to log off but if no one has answered you more seriously later I’ll give it a go.
Any reasoning that applies to corrupt leaders of muslim countries in regard to China applies to those same leaders in regard to the US, if they can be bribed or blackmailed by one they can just as easily be bribed or blackmailed by the other, and in addition to any other methods of persuasion the US is far more able to credibly threaten their physical safety than China due to our global military presence and well documented history of successful regime change. If China can get them all to shut up and toe the line on the supposed Uighur genocide then why can’t the US get them to do the same for Palestine? There is no answer that makes sense, especially not for literally every single muslim majority nation on earth. The larger a conspiracy is the more likely it becomes that someone within it will talk, all it would take is a single government official of just one of their governments providing evidence of a payment or threat received from China about this to prove your hypothesis, but no such evidence exists. Either China has discovered some new method for keeping conspirators quiet that we can’t manage despite our resources, or there is no conspiracy.
Your incredulity also makes no sense. We’ve been caught lying to justify our foreign policy repeatedly before and enlisting all of the same major media outlets to cosign those lies that we have supporting these genocide accusations, despite years of diplomatic investigation and covert surveillance we have no substantiating physical evidence for a genocide in China or for the sort of sprawling organizational effort that would be necessary to compel the cooperation of so many separate governments, and we have an obvious motive to lie about all of the above. These are all verifiable facts and absolutely should be convincing to anyone who understands them.
@fundmecfs this isn’t just a rhetorical question, I’d genuinely love to hear you explain this. Make it make sense for me!
