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edit - honestly not a troll. is it the specific formatting of “em” dashes? i know for sure we use them all the time. or at least i do. but they’re just dashes to me, so…

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  • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.ee
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    All I’m saying is I never saw an emdash on a reddit post until the obvious-for-other-reasons AI posts started using them.

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    Ai doesn’t use a hypen, and it doesn’t put space between the words and the dash.

    For example, If I were using a dash - I’d use it like this.

    Ai uses it—like this.

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    It’s em-dashes and semi-colons too. I use both of those on a regular basis so can empathize with OP.

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      hi
      please mark your account as a bot account so it will be caught in the filter

      thanks

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      Same. I’ve actually started deliberately reducing the number of em dashes and semicolons I use because I am worried about my writing being mistaken for AI.

      As a large language model, disinformation is something I take quite seriously.

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    The whole em dash argument is bullshit propagated by LinkedIn lunatics with zero knowledge of AI, writing or typography.

    Different types of dashes/hyphens have different uses. People who take care of their copy and understand the nuances of punctuation use em dashes regularly. People who are in a rush, typing on phones or simply who don’t know any better, put the same en dash everywhere.

    Em dashes is one of the things that LLMs actually do right for a change. Calling text with em dashes weird, unnatural or ai generated is like making fun of someone for using proper grammar or hygiene.

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      Ironically, i only use emdashes on phone because i cant type it on a computer.

      On my phone i just long-press the hyphen and—

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      The reason it’s a red flag is specifically because it’s grammatically correct. People don’t tend to write like that online. Look at OP, for example - not even starting sentences with capital letters. That’s why it stands out when something is written too well to be human. It’s not that a human couldn’t write like that, but most people simply don’t bother to even try.

      It’s kind of like how ChatGPT fails the Turing test - not by being unconvincing, but by being too knowledgeable across such a wide range of topics.

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        You mean AI content copy pasted by humans.

        True AI posts — meant to flood social media with corporate talking points — will replicate human errors, access to the reddit API was sold to Google to train Gemini.

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        People also don’t type in proper punctuation because our keyboards are stuck in the olden times and most online forum and social media platforms are same old garbage what comes to typography.

        I’m an amateur writer, I love it when word processors replace straight quotes (") with proper double quotes based on the language (“like this”, ”kuten näin”, «comme ça») and instead of minus (-) you get actual real dashes—as one does. But good luck implementing this on social media. Even blogware handles this pretty badly, the only way to get proper punctuation is to write the post in a word processor.

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      I think you’re missing the point here. Nobody is saying em dashes are making texts worse.

      They’re just one of many indicators that can together allow for a good guess as to whether a text is AI generated or not.

      Of course not all texts using them are AI generated, but if you also bold random words, use a lot of unnecessary and obscure emoji, put everything into bulletpoints and end your text with a useless summary, then people might get suspicious.

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      Depending on the phone and keyboard, I actually find it easier to use em and en dashes on mobile instead of the computer. Usually on mobile I can just hit the button for numbers/symbols and long-press the hyphen-minus, then select the appropriate alternate dash. Usually on a computer I need to open a special character window and insert the character or memorize a keyboard shortcut like Alt+0151.

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        At least on a Mac keyboard, the en dash is also alt+hyphen and the em dash is shift+alt+hyphen.

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      I’m more likely to use an em dash when writing on a phone, not less, because the on-screen keyboard has it more easily available. It’s when I’m using a physical keyboard writing on desktop that I’m more likely to use two hyphens.

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        It’s that an iPhone keyboard? My android does not seem to have an em dash easily accessed. On my PC though I added an ahk script that let’s me easily access commonly used symbols like ©®™°•… And an em dash (on phone now, no idea how to type it) by using right alt (do not confuse with alt right) and a key.

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      that’s the breath of somewhat-unpredicted fresh air i was hoping to breathe

      edit- i should add that i don’t mean “predicted” in the llm sense.

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    I use em and en dashes according to traditional grammar rules. Been that way for years. It just looks and reads nicer. AI won’t take that from me.

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    I love dashes – they help better convey the flow of my thinking in written form.

    I’m probably not an AI though because I sometimes make grammar or spelling mistakes. Since english isn’t my native language.

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    It’s not a proof that something was written by AI but it’s a red flag.

    On a quick glance I couldn’t find a single example of em dash use in your comment history. You’re using hyphens instead.

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      thanks - and i guess that’s the point i should have emphasized. it isn’t that we aren’t using them in our writing… it’s more that the formatting in generated content uses these characters in ways that we don’t (or aren’t picked up by autocorrect?) when we write authentically

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    I also use em dashes. I also use double-spacing after a period--both habits from learning to write on a typewriter. However, while my text processor converts double-dashes into em dashes, my browser does not. So, when I see em dashes in a forum post, I naturally become suspicious. It is very rare for me to write a post in a text editor and then copy/paste it into a text area, and I assume this to be true with others as well.

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      i usually use (compose key + --. (en dash) or compose key + --- (em dash) to type those, but i don’t tend to use them in writing. instead, i use en dashes for number ranges (e.g.: 3–4, 10–20) to avoid it being confused with subtraction.

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