• TheFonz@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The research shows that deterrents work. The more there are in place, the less likely the acts are going to be committed. That’s why gun owners have such a high success rate with suicide. It’s much easier. You can all keep insisting that the attackers will switch to the next best thing but if that was the case, every other country in the world would have an equal amount of murder sprees, just committed by cars instead? Reality shows that mass killings in developed countries happen predominantly in the US. Why is that?

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        1 year ago

        True. That’s why we shouldn’t compare US suicidality to cultures that are quite different and use similar cultures for control when evaluating stats. For instance, I wouldn’t look at the success rates of building a Starbucks in Mogadishu to long island. They are too different.

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        1 year ago

        That’s cute. Hamas is armed to the teeth and well organized. How’s it going for them? It’s not even the US military but the IDF. I’d really like to see Derrick put down his Xbox controller and get to it.

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      Sure, suicide is easier with guns, but Japan demonstrates quite well that they are hardly a prerequisite. Guns are banned in Japan and so, to the other commenter’s point, they find another way to achieve their goals. Guns aren’t even statistically the most effective, drinking on train tracks is (or doing fentanyl on the train tracks, hit ya with the 2x.)

      You can all keep insisting that the attackers will switch to the next best thing but if that was the case, every other country in the world would have an equal amount of murder sprees, just committed by cars instead?

      Sure if you don’t account for any other differences between countries like mental health or other social services, or culture, or anything. Unfortunately in reality it is rarely that black and white, there are other differences.

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        The studies I refer to use local groups for control and not other nations. It is worthwhile looking up the studies.

        Absolutely there is more nuance, I was responding to the person that brought up the Paris truck attack. All things combined, the deterrents are what seem to have the most effect.