You can judge a man by his enemies.
If Nazis don’t like something
It’s probably worth supporting
Two shitty delusional cult leaders hate each other.
the catholic church is an institution that is rotten to its core, even when fascists hate the guy at the top
Appreciating that the Church will be anti-republican and leaning ever so slightly more into liberalism can exist alongside the Church’s history.
I’ll never be pro-religion, but we n ed to take a win when we can.
A book I was just reading told a story of how the Massachusetts church was trying for a long time to build more affordable housing, and basically got blocked out by NIMBYs and white patriarchy. So, given recent media, I’ve found them to sometimes be okay.
I don’t think we should be surprised their pro-zionists in the Bible Belt are psychopaths molesting children though.
It’s weirdly cloying, right? Amid all the negative press, the catholic church is on the whole responsible for a shocking amount of good in the world. Personally, a catholic hospital waiving the cost of a (really extravagant) medical disaster is both the only reason I’m still alive and not living in crippling debt as a result. Sometimes they do, in fact practice what they preach, and that’s awesome.
That ain’t the big-c Church, though. Their socially regressive attitude alone has inflicted more harm than all the good they’ve ever done, and that’s just one of the minor things they’re responsible for. It’s important to keep in mind that individuals doing good works don’t represent the absurdly draconian institution they’re a part of.
It’s all just fluff and disingenuous crap. Take the last one, Francis. He pretended to be soooo humble because he slept in a nice cottage still in the disgustingly opulent Vatican instead of the even nicer pope bedroom. As an absolute monarch he had the power to dismantle the entire system and give away the wealth to the previous victims of the church to make amends. But he didn’t. This one will say a bunch of nice stuff about migrants, but when the rubber hits the road nothing will change. And they’ll still force every one of their poor members to pay a 10% income tax while burying more gold in the Vatican.
he had the power to dismantle the entire system
One guy vs a globe of catholics? I realize he’s supposed to be the voice of god and all, but… I just don’t believe this.
It’s an old conservative scare-mongering line that’s really cemented itself in the cultural consciousness - the idea that the pope is an absolute ruler and all catholics must do as he says was spread around (well, throughout all of history but specifically in the US) to turn people against JFK, a catholic. We can’t have a catholic president, that’ll put the pope in charge of the country!!
Reality is that the pope has a shitload of soft power and could start to implement reparations least at some level (and yeah, utterly dick move not to have done that, Frank…). Broad picture, canon law is beyond arcane and there’s plenty of restrictions on the actual “money spending” powers of the papacy. The requirement for charity is probably the biggest one, but there’s also the requirements for upkeep of the various shrines/churches/sites(?)/the holy see (obvs) as well as having to provide support for the many many agents of the church.
The capital R is very important in your comment.
These people would literally crucify Jesus again if he came back, even with absolute undeniable proof that’s him.
Relatable-ish key and peele skit
even FASTER with absolute undeniable proof that’s him
Well yeah, he would be black and therefore clearly a member of MS13
Omg, how funny would it be to popularize portraits of Jesus with MS13 on his knuckles in Calibri typeface.
quick get rid of the evidence
what evidence
the evidence that we were wrong
Jesus: “The fuck is a border?”. “What do you mean rich people, how could there be poor or desperate people?”. “You created projectiles that explode and kill people? I thought you torturing me was supposed to be the end of this shit?”.
…this is hopeless, I’m going back to heaven, see none of y’all there
Flip them tables
well, that stuff doesn’t exist in their mind in the first place, and their mind has nothing to do with reality
i think you’d be surprised by how many people believe in heaven and think they’re the only ones getting in : /
I would not
o jeez
Capitalism at work
Unfortunately really not a high bar.
Normal person: We should improve society somewhat.
MAGA:Woke.What is wrong with that person? Why are they aware of issues that we face as a society? We need to put a stop to this by voting for a guy who’s never lived an ordinary day in his entire life.Also MEGA, it doesn’t matter anyway because I hate who I’m told. Even if I don’t know why. Knowing things (anything at all) is what the libs want.
Don’t let them off that easy.
They were hating minorities long before Trump came along. He just taught them that it was acceptable.
Somebody should really report these MAGA people for their anti-Christian biases
Fundamentalist protestants hate Catholics almost as much as they hate Jews and Muslims.
The evangelicals I know deny that catholics are even christian. I understand it’s some stupid wordplay - they call themselves Catholic instead of Christian therefore they aren’t Christian. We don’t self identify as a denomination, simply as Christian because obviously we are the correct, default choice.
It’s not ridiculous for Protestants to say catholics aren’t Christian. Protestant movements came about because they believed the Catholic Church wasn’t teaching the word of God. It’s not a coincidence it came about at a similar time to the printing press.
As people became more literate they started to learn the contradictions between the priests and the bible. The reaction to this resulted in movements that preached personal relationships with God and rejection of false profits (worshiping popes, saints etc).
If your not aligned with either of these religions is seems ridiculous. The reality is you can’t think Protestantism is the correct path if you believe Catholics are Christians. This is the same for many religions, they mostly claim they are right and everyone else is wrong.
The above doesn’t track. Every sect of Christianity thinks its the “true” sect, but you aren’t likely to see a Methodist claim an Baptist isn’t Christian. They just claim they aren’t following god correctly.
Attempting to remove catholics or even mormons from being “Christian” at all is just a push to de-legitimize them as religions entirely. It’s not reasonable, it’s hateful by design, an intentional “othering.”
Mormons are non-trinitarian, so I’d say people trying to claim that they’re not Christian have a much better case than protestants saying Catholics aren’t Christian.
They believe in the same god, son and the holy spirit, but believe they are separate-ish, yes.
I think that’s just a case of degrees of “how we see the same god,” so i’d call that a pretty weak argument, honestly.
I don’t think you got the central point. Protestants exist to protest Catholicism. A Protestant that recognises catholics as Christian’s wouldn’t be a Protestant.
Different sects of Protestantism are able to recognise other sects as Christian’s because a central tentant of Protestant practice is the personal relationship with God. So different sects of Protestants find that easier to accept. Where as Catholics practice a relationship with God that is tied to the organisation and the Pope.
Mormons are arguably a different religion altogether. Similar to how Jewish/Christian/Islam all share similar but different religious texts making them all different religions.
The intended outcome is othering.
You misunderstand reasonable. It does not mean good, more the natural conclusion given the context.
One group that INVENTED their version of Religion, hates that other group who invented a slightly different version of the same Religion that uses the same reference book with all the same cast of characters. Its like one theater troupe wanting to murder another theater group because they disagree with their costume choices in the exact same play.
And ALL of it is a fantasy, supported by stories made up by neolithic goatherders to pass the time.
Mormons are absolutely Christian. They believe in christian god, christ as savior, etc. They simply have an extra, more modern prophet who “discovered” more scripture.
This is exactly my overall point. Protestants/Catholics/Mormons all believe Christ is mankinds savior. Those are all Christians. As long as they have that central tenant, that’s the only relevant aspect to being classed under that label.
Jews/Muslims do not, and therefore are not Christians. That doesnt make sense with Catholics/Mormons, since Christ is the central element of both faiths. The push to label them as non Christian is the hateful aspect. It excludes on arbitrary lines in order to delegitimize what is often more “caring/kind/etc” teachings than a lot of the modern evangelical/Protestant faiths.
That is only a half truth. There is an actual official list of things you must believe to be Christian called the Nicene Creed. “You must believe in God the Father, made man by his son Jesus of Nazareth, incarnate by the holy spirit, made of the same substance, for us and our salvation.” Bit cut down, but you get the point, the Trinity. Mormons do not believe in the trinity and are therefore not Christian. Protestant, Orthodox, ans Catholic all believe in the trinity and are therefore Christian.
Mormons add a large extra chunk. Other dominions have different interpretations and some added teachings but it’s not entirely unreasonable
Not entirely unreasonable except for the whole thing where it’s clearly a bronze age myth that has somehow survived into modernity
Well don’t ya know, Jesus came 1800 years earlier on the other side of the planet to set up his fav country. All others he doesn’t bless.
I don’t know which has a more absurd origin story, in terms of how ridiculous it is to believe it given the history of how it started (irrespective of the actual dogmas), Mormonism or Scientology.
American ideologies. If they didn’t make it to crazy religion status, they died trying as a crazy cult. And all the rest are about getting rich despite the odds and humanity.
Scientology has grotesque space aliens flying across the universe in jumbo jet shaped space craft and dumping millions of souls into volcanoes that later attach to your soul and hinder your life.
Mormons have dumb stories about land bridges and magic dudes doing extra magic to hide secret texts for bigamists to find.
I think Scientology has got this one.
Uh uh, I specifically said I was only talking about how each religion got started. So in Scientology we’re talking about a science fiction author who had previously said the way to get rich is to start a religion. The nature of that religion is irrelevant.
For Mormonism, we’ve got an American treasure hunter who happened to find American-Jesus fanfiction written on some plates, translated them by looking into a hot with a rock, and then when asked to repeat it to verify it said “whoops, I lost the plates, but here’s some other ones that tell the same story but slightly differently”. And nobody outside his inner circle was ever allowed to actually see the plates to verify their existence.
So in one we’ve got a wild story full of very lucky coincidences and circumstantially-suspicious claims. And in the other we’ve got a much simpler story, but it’s pretty explicitly telling us it’s a scam.
Is that because he’s not trump? Were there MAGAts who genuinely believed that trump even had a chance?!
Wait, never mind, of course MAGAts thought trump had a chance, they don’t live in reality.
I think it’s because on social media he has criticized Trump and vance
They really are weird little snowflakes, aren’t they?
🌎👨🚀🔫👩🚀 Always have been
Tbf reality is a horrible place, especially now. Source: I live there
Source: I live there
Well that makes you a communist. Living in reality is a form of communism
He has said some anti lgbt and anti feminist stuff. But also, he has said anti capitalist, pro worker’s union, and pro immigration stuff.
So basically turning around the MAGA philosophy? They hate everything vaguely leftist, even if it’s food for them. Like bicycle paths, renewable energy, unions, taxing the rich, universal healthcare, etc. Not really a good way of looking at things.
It must be a coincidence that all of the things on that list would be to the minor detriment of the wealth of billionaires and trillion-dollar companies if they were implemented
I generally agree that blindly hating without critical thinking what somebody supports is problematic, but the reasons for which they hate the pope are pretty fucking dumb. So 🤷
I would’ve lost it if they had elected any of the other more conservative candidates. The less conservative-leaning-on-fascism, the better. Fingers crossed this comment ages well.
He still protects paedophile priests though as described in this article from September last year.
Could he be a pope if he didn’t?
Martin Luther complained about rampant pedophilia centuries ago. Expecting change at this point…
And is anti lgbt, and “gender ideology”. I got this from his wikipedia, and the source it gives is this article, however, I cant read it because paywall.
I honestly hoped that the now deceased Pope stacked the deck with an American to call out how unchristian most American christians are.
Yeah, a centrist American like Leo will be able to speak to America during its ongoing crisis period.
MAGAs have lost their souls and minds, if they ever had the latter. The whole Pope position is more than iffy, totally unnecessary and a relic of the past, a reminder of the times in which the Pope had lands and actual power (and much blood was shed making these people rich and using the name of God as an excuse). This pope might be, insha’Allah, a better human than every single red American, sure, but that’s a very low bar, especially for a religious leader. The last Pope was loved by all and was an exception because he was a reasonable and moral man, not a politician in funny clothes.
About pope part: meh.
Pope is more than position - it’s a symbol and in my lifetime I already heard about two beloved popes so yeah. They are to act like a shepard and inspire us to be the better version of ourselves. In short, spiritual leaders.
It doesn’t work on not religious people for the most part, and it’s not supposed to. And from what I’ve seen id doesn’t work neither for left nor right…for first because christianity is too slow on moral progress and on the other because christianity is too fast with moral progress. Which is a funny proof for people thinking they can meet with right in the middle xD
