• istdaslol@feddit.org
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    there is a misunderstanding of the MIC, they profit of weapons, not death. they dont like war, it means instability, supplychains get stressed and stuff gets expansive, asswell as their stuff gets destroyed and may shows ineffective. they like the idea of war. they want country A and B have and armsrace and get the expansive fancy stuff but never fire at each other. nor every corpo is vault tec.

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    Yes, I spent the last 20 years developing a very particular kind of chemical agent that is tailor made to dissolve an eight-year-old’s testicles. But I assure you we only intend to use it in self-defense.

    I have no idea how the Israelis got seventy of them.

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    To be honest i think its one of these industries that should never be private. Why do we think it is a good idea to have people profit from war in such a direct way?

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      Because wherever there is a possibility to make massive amounts of money, those with power will push and push and push to be in control of it.

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    I worked in the analysis tool division of a company that built civilian and military jets when I was fresh out of engineering school.

    I didn’t feel too bad about it because I was making commercial aircraft quieter and more efficient with my work. Then, the Iraq war started up and they told me I had to work on the engine for the F22. I started looking for a new job that day.

    Now I work in planetary defense and don’t feel guilty about it…

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    If I worked for a defence contractor, I would make the most accurate weapons in the world. Why? Because when the people who fired those weapons are up in court and they go “Oh well I didn’t MEAN to hit that hospital, the bomb just didn’t hit its intended target”, the prosecutor can go “Nonsense! Those are the most accurate weapons in the world. They ONLY hit what you intended to hit with as much force as you wanted to hit it with!”.

    The weapons are gonna get built, I’d rather there be no ambiguity in how they get used. It’s not like WW2 where Bomber Command was like “Here’s the dockyards we want to blow up, and a bajillion tonnes of bombs to blow it up with”, and then the bombers flatten half a city just trying to hit the docks and miss every single time because it’s cloudy, or hit an entirely different city because they got lost on the way!. You only have to look at Russia’s “throw enough artillery shells at the area until it’s completely flat” approach to war to know what happens when you haven’t got precision munitions, or not enough of them.

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      But if you look at the actual reality of what happens, those bombs are still used to kill civilians with no repercussions.

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    I’d say depends on which one and what lobby work they have done. If it is from the US or Russia, it is probably a big no-no.

    If it is a European or South American defense contractor or weapons manufacturer, it varies.

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    I completely lost respect for an intern when I found out he was going to a weapons company next.

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    Not all countries are the USA btw. Most countries use their defense budget to actually defend themselves from external very real threats.

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      Most countries use their defense budget to actually defend themselves

      Defend themselves from whom!

      From whom!

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        Potential invaders like Russia or the US. Or in the future: China. But in Europe a nation just 1500 km away attacked it’s neighbor in 2022 and the war is still ongoing.

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          Or in the future: China.

          It’s so crazy to see the Chinese steadily building out a dense web of business relationships and transit networks, from which their industrial and scientific power base commands enormous influence. And for westerners to look at this and conclude “They’re going to start bombing us at any moment! We need to fight back first!”

          But in Europe a nation just 1500 km away attacked it’s neighbor in 2022

          Europe’s been dropping bombs all over North Africa and the Middle East for the last three centuries. Hell, they’ve been bombing themselves straight through the Years of Lead and the post-Soviet civil strife. If Europeans have anyone to worry about, its each other.

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            How about you stop with the whataboutisms and stay on topic. As belligerent China has been to it’s neighbors and has illegal police posts in Europe to threaten dissidents, we need to be wary of the PRC.

            Your second paragraph is just straight up whataboutism. European wars the past few hundred years doesn’t justify Russia invading Ukraine. Someone doing something bad isn’t a justification to continue bad behavior.

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              How about you stop with the whataboutism

              How about you stop trying to defend genocide, eh? You’re standing on a hill of corpses and you think you’ve got the moral high ground?

              Get fucked. Trump’s peeled the mask off your rotten empire. Nobody is falling for this shit anymore.

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      Hahaha. Have you not noticed the empire struggling to maintain itself?

      This is a sarcasm, you idiot fucks. Leave me alone.

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    Would it be like a spectrum with weapons being a cardinal sin, and cotton swabs and morphine a thing you can only do on lent? Would weapon makers be in a lower circle, logistics in the middle, and those on the periphery of the military apparatus go to purgatory?

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    The education system functions to indoctrinate, privilege, and filter.

    If there’s one thing that I learned from grad school, it’s that talented people will be made dependent and subservient to death and doom for money… But more importantly because that’s the social system they’ve been funneled into. They don’t see any alternatives.

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    Working for Social media companies or health insurance companies isn’t any better as far as destroying the world and mass murdering people by proxy

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      Yeah but profiting off of starvation, homelessness or sickness is slightly less concerned with destroying human life efficiently, more so extracting value from suffering. Far harder to wiggle your way out of a bomb dropping on you. In that way, defense contractors are especially gross imo. I guess you could argue being blown apart may be more humane though idk

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        I’ve seen people die in the extract profit from suffering system. If I had to choose I’d choose the quicker option. I mean at the end of the day we’re all stuck in an unethical system of oppression.

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    The number of people defending Lockheed Martin here is staggering, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised given the apparent makeup of Lemmy’s population

    I’ll make this very, very simple: working for a well-known defense contractor who brags about making bombs is bad. Working for Lockheed Martin is unethical.

    Working for a large corporation (Microsoft) that funds or supports wars (Israel) is also bad, but not as bad as Lockheed Martin, the company that actually builds the bombs that are bought with the dollars that Microsoft sends to Israel

    Working for any company that could theoretically contribute economically to a war is bad, but not as bad as the previous two examples and is more or less unavoidable for working people

    Paying any kind of tax (especially in the US) ultimately funds wars, and so isn’t good either, but it’s not as bad as any of the three above options, and no one can avoid it (except billionaires of course)

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      To add, “There’s no ethical consumption under capitalism” applies to your labor, as well. The phrase is meant to provide perspective, and shouldn’t be used as an excuse to do whatever.

      I’m not particularly happy with everything the company I work for does. Especially the actions of the people at the top. But it’s not notably worse than any other Fortune 500.

      Lockheed, though? It’s bad in a more fundamental way.

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    I volunteer in my free time so that more Russian occupiers will be eliminated. I’m very proud of myself.