The United States on Friday released a U.S. intelligence assessment sent to more than 100 countries that found Moscow is using spies, social media and Russian state-run media to erode public faith in the integrity of democratic elections worldwide.

WASHINGTON, Oct 20 (Reuters) - The United States on Friday released a U.S. intelligence assessment sent to more than 100 countries that found Moscow is using spies, social media and Russian state-run media to erode public faith in the integrity of democratic elections worldwide.

“This is a global phenomenon,” said the assessment. “Our information indicates that senior Russian government officials, including the Kremlin, see value in this type of influence operation and perceive it to be effective.”

A senior State Department official, briefing reporters on condition of anonymity, said that Russia was encouraged to intensify its election influence operations by its success in amplifying disinformation about the 2020 U.S. election and the COVID-19 pandemic.

  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
    780·
    2 years ago

    I don’t think we should put ourselves on a high horse, I do not think we are any better.

    Our military and CIA are always bringing “freedom” to foreign nations since forever, overthrowing democratic elections.

    Difference being, our citizens are not as well informed of the US propaganda we see so often, many leaks have shown how we are similar.

    Russia hoax was proven false, many Clinton personnel and news stations just ran with it.

    • Drusas@kbin.social
      31·
      2 years ago

      This isn’t about the US being righteous. It’s about Russia fucking with other countries. You don’t have to jump to whataboutism every time the US is involved in something.

        • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
          112·
          2 years ago

          I am pushing back on the US opinion.

          Many seeem to disregard what we have done.

          Why else would I bring it up.

          We are pushing for war in Isreal/Iran again, our ships have been deployed.

          • ZaroniPepperoni@lemmy.world
            8·
            2 years ago

            You refer to the US as a “the” but then go back to referring to “what we have done” on the second line. You do seem very tied up in saying we every sentence, and not just on this post, so I am just going to say it: you are very obviously not American. Stop pretending and own up: you are a propagandist.

            • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
              17·
              2 years ago

              I think you are looking too much into it, that has nothing to do with it.

              The red scare is still going on to this day, reports show that the new generations of Americans are not as nationalistic as in the past.

              Pointing out bots everywhere you look is not helpful, when it is as basic as having different views.

          • PupBiru@kbin.social
            8·
            2 years ago

            literally nobody disregards it… every thread anywhere someone points out the US

            WE ALL AGREE! but ITS ALSO NOT OKAY FOR RUSSIA… and thats what the thread is about

            • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
              17·
              2 years ago

              You are right, threads go on tangents.

              I think that is the norm, first thing that came to mind was comparing it to us the USA.

              I see a lot of media talking about other nations, while we still need to improve ours, maybe that is why it keeps popping up.

              The fix your house before you start criticing others houses, statement.

              • PupBiru@kbin.social
                2·
                2 years ago

                You are right, threads go on tangents.

                this wasn’t a tangent, it was a u-turn 16min after the article was posted

                first thing that came to mind was comparing it to us the USA.

                then the exact propaganda that’s being talked about in the article has worked spectacularly. congratulations on helping russia destabilise democracy across the world without even realising it

                I see a lot of media talking about other nations, while we still need to improve ours, maybe that is why it keeps popping up.

                world: exists
                US: HEY ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THATS NOT ME?!?

                The fix your house before you start criticing others houses, statement.

                no, it’s nothing like that at all, because this is an autocracy trying to literally destabilise democracy across the world and significantly negatively effect the lives of billions at a time when the world is the least stable and closest to the brink of war that it has been for decades… it is not a house

                • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                  12·
                  2 years ago

                  Going to your last point:

                  In my point of view, if we stopped invading every country for their resources/bringing democracy, and instead helped push for building up countries, how China does soft imperialism, the world would be much more stable. Endless wars did not help make the USA look better, BRICS did not come up because everything was peachy before hand.

                  In the the end you seem to be more correct on your assertions and points, I am just blabbering off…

    • MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world
      281·
      2 years ago

      Lol. Lmao even.

      Idk where youve been the last 10 years but if youre talking about Trump and Russia, there’s no hoax therr.

      Its been demonstrably true a dozen times over.

      I’ll drop the obvious one: Eric Trump on national tv in 2014, “We dont need American banks, we have all the funding we need from Russia.”

      • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
        333·
        2 years ago

        Trump and Russia corruption vs. Biden and Ukraine corruption.

        I say we jail them both, why stop there might as well jail all past presidents for all the war crimes commited.

        I don’t think the people in charge well let it happen, since that is how the system was made to work.

        • MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world
          17·
          2 years ago

          Except every Republican lead House investigation this year has said, “Theres nothing there we can charge anyone with, but we’re gonna keep pretending there is so we can creat a fake moral equivilancy!”

          Watch some news that doesnt stroke your echo chamber.

          • Maeve@kbin.social
            33·
            2 years ago

            With all due respect, perhaps you could revisit Assange/Snowden leaks.

          • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
            214·
            2 years ago

            I tend to watch many news sources on the “left” and “right”, one major theme I keep seeing in the “extremes” is a doubt of our government and corruption.

            Antiwar vs. pro war

            Freedom of speech vs censorship

              • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                114·
                2 years ago

                If you see everyone that disagrees with you as an enemy, so be it.

                I am more of a 3rd party kind of person, but believe whatever comes to your heart.

                  • Maeve@kbin.social
                    13·
                    2 years ago

                    As I suggested earlier, revisiting Snowden/Assange leaks would behoove us all.

                  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                    16·
                    2 years ago

                    Duopoly has been a thing since before Russia Gate hoax.

                    To force change, people need to change how we vote.

                    If 3rd parties grow in strength, they can use that.

                    Local and state is more important, but long term 3rd parties can also help.

      • spaceghoti@lemmy.oneOP
        11·
        2 years ago

        The problem, as we saw in the nineties with the rise of Fox News, is that if no one pushes back on the disinformation and bad narrative, it gets repeated as unassailable truth.

        We have to push back if we want to avoid the same outcome.

        • PeleSpirit@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          This is a good opportunity to repeat that there were studies done right after 2016 elections and they found that the best technique is to clarify one statement as a rebuttal and then walk away (2 at most). Also, don’t explain things. They have to explain their side. If they refuse, then you know they think you’re a troll or they’re a troll, lol.

        • Maeve@kbin.social
          1·
          2 years ago

          Perhaps you’re “pushing back” when you could be digging to prove the commenter — or yourself— right or wrong.

      • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
        426·
        2 years ago

        edit: seen as aggresive, made more passive

        Pointing out the hypocrisy on both US and Russia, okay…

        Learning only one view will not help our country improve, it is best to learn opposing views as well.

          • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
            112·
            2 years ago

            Aggressive, how am I. Can you tell over the internet? Am I typing aggressively?

            I am sorry if it seems that way.

            Internet talks are hard to see, if one is being aggressive or just having fun openly disagreeing with people.

            I tend to give the benefit of the doubt, when talking on the internet, until proven hostile by other party.

    • theodewere@kbin.social
      18·
      2 years ago

      this is exactly what the Russians do online… thank you for providing us with such a great example…

      • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
        15·
        2 years ago

        Yes, many people are not that good at discussions.

        It is a skill learned by doing.

        I am not perfect, I try to stay on topic, but I may just try to get my point accross instead of over thinking and over sharing information.

        • Maeve@kbin.social
          2·
          2 years ago

          You speak of tangentially related things. Tbf, I’ve no clue if you’re a un/paid propagandist or not, but I’ve not yet caught you in a lie; just some very uncomfortable truths.

    • spaceghoti@lemmy.oneOPEnglish
      81·
      2 years ago

      The report doesn’t put the US on a high horse:

      Washington “recognizes its own vulnerability to this threat,” said the report, noting that U.S. intelligence agencies found that “Russian actors spread and amplified information to undermine public confidence in the U.S. 2020 election.”

      • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
        116·
        2 years ago

        It was a broad call out of how we see ourselves vs. how the world sees us.

        The quote you mention, not sure how that applies. This article does not include what we have done in interference in other countries.

        • spaceghoti@lemmy.oneOPEnglish
          5·
          2 years ago

          It’s pointing out that we aren’t immune to Russian propaganda, that it’s clear that the Russians have found success in meddling in our elections and your own comment was a clear demonstration of that fact. No, it doesn’t touch on our own interference but that’s a moot point here. Unless you have evidence that we are currently meddling in foreign elections, and even then you would need to demonstrate that our goal is to undermine democracy around the world as the Kremlin is doing.

          But somehow I suspect you’ll continue to sling mud without providing anything concrete to back up your assertions.

          • Decoy321@lemmy.world
            7·
            2 years ago

            The whataboutism is irrelevant either way. Proving that a different country is doing terrible things does not absolve the original country from doing terrible things.

            Don’t bother engaging with the apologist, they’re not conversing in good faith.

          • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
            110·
            2 years ago

            Journalists and leaks have shown how we influence and overthrow democratic elections in other countries.

            “When Exposing a Crime is Treated as Committing a Crime, You Are Ruled By Criminals.”

              • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                15·
                2 years ago

                I do not think anything I post will change your mind.

                It is better for you to look it up and see for yourself, you will learn more or just keep thinking the same.

                Thank you for this small talk.

                • spaceghoti@lemmy.oneOP
                  3·
                  2 years ago

                  It is notable on how you didn’t try, even after I clarified what I was looking for. Good work, Komrade.

                  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                    15·
                    2 years ago

                    I pointed out my view and you did as well.

                    If we want to learn more of each side the internet can help.

                    Any yt person you like or journalist you recommend?

              • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.orgEnglish
                11·
                2 years ago

                Thanks for post!

                I know Chris Hedges was involved with The Real News Network (on YT).

                Another one is Richard Wolff, he may be with Democracy At Work (on YT).

                They used to be more active with talks in the media, they do go on independent yt shows once in a while.

                Thanks for Greg Palast, I do not recall hearing of him!