Naomi Klein’s book ‘Doppelganger’ is good on this topic…
There’d be motherfuckers on TikTok snorting lines of asbestos
Why not… it cures diabetes, cancer, all diseases…
And MAGAs would grind it, bake it, and eat it. Just to own the libs.
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One way to improve genetics. Thin out the pool a bit. They’d have headlines in the tikkity tok like, “MAGA COUNTRY MUTHERFUCKERZ!!” with a backwards red Maga hat and the table looking like a scene from Scarface.
Trumpers would start eating asbestos for breakfast just to pwn the libz
I wish they would
This makes me wonder if we can make a really convincing deepfake video to manipulate the Trumpets.
My country banned smoking in all public indoor spaces almost 20 years ago. As a smoker at the time I thought it was ridiculous, felt that my rights were being violated and thought it would never last. The quality of life improvement it made is massive. Today I vape rather than smoke but wouldn’t dream of doing either indoors or being where someone else is. It was 100% the right move. Not quite the same thing but you sometimes can’t really understand the benefits of an alternative to the status quo, even if you understand it logically.
Smokers can never smell themselves so they don’t think it’s a big deal.
I don’t generally mind the smoking bans, but I wish there existed some indoor spaces where it could be done. They are very limited and mostly exclusive.
I was surprised to find out that people also were against seatbelts. Weird
Oh god yes. They all literally invented a fake illness called “seat belt burn.” I kid you not. And this was the 80s before commercial Internet, so it spread organically.
Yeah, one of my grandpas always chafed against wearing one, especially the part that comes across the chest. He was always “forgetting” to put it on, and holding it down so it wouldn’t like press against him.
Meanwhile I don’t even think about the seatbelt. Actually it feels wrong if I forget to put it on for some reason.
“ding… ding… ding…”
My mother in law would complain about wearing one while I was driving her around, so I’d just refuse to move the car until she either got out or put the seatbelt on. She wears it without complaining now. I give no fucks if people like wearing it or not, when they’re in my car, I’m responsible for their safety and I won’t have their blood on my hands because they think it’ll never happen to them.
Oh yeah. “You’re safer being ejected from the car in a crash. My cousin’s ex husband’s sister’s daughter survived a crash that way!”
Those people have never seen someone who has been hit by an air bag. It’s not a gentle pillow it’s a punch to the face and if you aren’t strapped in you’re probably gonna bounce around a bit off the interior.
they do make it significantly harder to grab items from the back seats when at red lights, especially if they are the bs locking type.
They do. But for that just pull over and do what you’ve got to do. Stop trying to multitask while you’re in command and control of a device that can wipe out an entire family in a split second of distraction.
When seatbelts were introduced to cars, there was a big movement against them. Some by car manufacturers to keep costs down, but a lot of backlash was from good ol’ natural born idiots so contrarian and averse to change they’d let themselves die just to give a smug look about not doing what someone asked of them. The sort of dumbass who during the height of pre-vaccine Covid would drown in the fluid buildup in their lungs and refuse treatment because doing so would be an admission of fault.
These past 9 years have made me DEEPLY cynical about my fellow man. There is no bottom. No level of malicious stupidity is low enough. It’s not even disappointment anymore, I’m resigned to it. Some people are so beyond hope, so beyond redemption, it’s like trying to get a fucking deer to recognize itself in a mirror. Just ZERO awareness, no theory of mind, object permanence is a fucking coin flip. If it weren’t for my principles, my absolute refusal to engage in dehumanization, I’d be tempted to write them off as another species just to cope with the dissonance that comes from seeing people acting that self destructive. Like it doesn’t make sense. You’d expect at some point some form of pattern recognition and harm avoidance to develop. “Hey, putting my hand on the stove hurt. It hurt every time I did it. It hurt everyone I saw someone else do it too. I’m gonna put my hand on the stove and it won’t hurt this time.”.
I think there is a growing divide between the most and least intelligent in society, and it has been growing with tech advancement (the gap wouldn’t have been that big in the middle ages). If we ever develop superintelligent AI, I can see that becoming an inflection point in this divide because we (Lemmy dwellers) will become as fallible to that AI as the people you mentioned are today in what is still a human-dominated society. Introducing AGI will vastly exasperate the gap between the most and least intelligent and I can’t see society surviving that in its current form.
Not quite.
Tech’s facilitated a lot of things, but not a schism in intelligence. That requires systemic destruction of education systems, especially those that focus on critical thinking and comprehension.
No matter how smart you are, we’re still herd animals. Get enough loud drivers and it infects everyone.
Boomers have their odd naivete and emotional immaturity from intergenerational trauma, but Zoomers have something i consider worse - a self-righteousness that demands the appearance of purity and correct behaviour. It’s more important to be seen to say nothing wrong than do the right thing. It’s the weird US paradigm of posturing puritanism on steroids - and unfortunately the interconnectivity of the internet has facilitated that infection
I was annoyed about the seatbelt laws, but I was a little kid at the time. I came from an era of riding in the back of dad’s truck and enjoying the breeze. Hell, I went from New England to Canada in the back of a capped truck. I was eight years old and never thought anything of it.
However, as I got older into my teens I got more adamant about using a seat belt, even when the laws were still sorta gray here (you were let off with no warning most times). Now its second nature, even if I’m heading 3 mins to the store. Some people still don’t because they think that they’re only endangering themselves. Thing is, I have a brother in law that’s a first responder. He’s seen people torpedo out of windows in head-on collisions and into the other car, injuring the other driver/passengers.
Honestly, I don’t get what the whole problem is. You barely even notice them on you. Most people who don’t put on a simple and comfortable safety belt are just being fucking stubborn children who don’t like being told what to do. I’m glad I grew out of that way of thinking. Some my family are those “good ol’ natural borns”. They’ll tell me I don’t have to put my seatbelt on and every time I adamantly say, “I always do”. My other brother in law will literally crank the radio so he can’t hear the seatbelt alarm. Drives me insane, but I love the idiot.
I hated them as a kid because they were uncomfortable and didn’t fit right. My mom made is wear it but I used to put the chest belt behind my back as soon as she turned around because it dug into my neck. I probably should have been in a car seat for way longer than I was. As an adult I don’t even notice it.
Untethered occupants are a serious danger to other occupants in their own car. I wouldn’t agree to drive with someone who wouldn’t put one on tbh, partly because it hints at a lack of judgement and I wouldn’t want that person in charge of the car.
There are still people that buy “belt silencers” or sit on their seatbelts to drive without. Newer cars will alarm, and mine even shuts down if you drive without a seatbelt
I think those are mostly for super obese people because seat belts are really uncomfortable if you’re really, really fat. At least that’s what I always assumed because everyone I know who has one is really fat.
So dying is better than being uncomfortable…
My sister’s boyfriend bought an oldtimer with no seatbelt. The previous owner installed some and he took them out again. I think there is nothing that brings him more joy than to tell people how he doesn’t need a seatbelt. He also drives his children around in this deathtrap. But he also refuses to wear a helmet when they ride their ebike. My sister nagged so long about it that he now takes the helmet with him, but he doesn’t wear it, that’s the compromise they reached. Some people are just fucking weird.
Seen bumper sticker: No air bags, we die like men.
To be fair, I find that funny.
I assume it’s sarcastic, but you never know
Is he signed up to be an organ donor?
Contracting silicosis to own the libs. Then use some sort of donkey enema as a cure.
Is that giving a donkey an enema or preforming an enema with a donkey or is it utilizing a donkey to perform an enema…
I think it means using an enema made for donkeys for yourself.
I was thinking of taking an enema meant for donkeys, but I guess whichever method is approved by RFK Jr “works”.
For donkeys, by donkeys.
Hate to break it to you: https://www.archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/
Asbestos was used because of it’s flame retardation and it’s easy to make. Provided it’s properly encapsulated and does not become damaged risk can be mitigated. Preventing damage is the hard part, no one plans for a tree to fall on their house. Maybe if everyone just wears a air mask all the time we wouldn’t have to worry about it.
The mask really gets in the way of eating ass, though.
A suppository is used to absorb nutrients or medicine into the body. Which brings me to my question: Can you eat ass with your butt?
Unfortunately that only produces the Infinity Turd™️ which is still under patent.
Marketing really missed an opportunity for “InfiniTurd” on that one.
Dude it was on the tip of my ass too, I originally had “Infinite Turd” but I thought give the people what they want, MCU
Provided the ass isn’t made of asbestos you should be fine to remove your mask.
Assbestos
Yea, but doesnt everything get damaged? And even if its while breaking it down when disposing/recycling/dumping it?
Asbestos is kind of a wonder material.
Easy to manufacture in complex shapes, inert (acid resistant, so great for chemical pipes), flame retardant, great insulator, and fairly cheap.
Shame that it causes really bad cancer…
They’re getting rid of silicosis protections now too.
If CFCs were banned today you would see people spraying them in the air to own the libs, also spraying their children with DDTs because RFK Jr told them to
What about thalidomide?
worth giving it a try…do NOT, I repeat do NOT spray RFK Jr with DDT every time you see him. I am a liberal and this would really make me cry. Don’t do it!
Fun fact: They did. Rush Limbaugh had a proud “keep spraying” campaign.
Of course he did, goddam
The Dipshit tried to bring it back his last term. Guess which country is the top producer of asbestos?
It’s got to be either Russia or the US.
It’s not the US. When has he ever done anything to benefit the US?
I’m still in favor of asbestos. It’s an amazing material for preventing fires AS LONG AS you never disturb it. The people that were most at risk of cancers were the people involved in the mining, manufacturing, and installation of asbestos products, but once the asbestos-containing products were installed, they were almost entirely safe for the occupants of the building. You could, in theory, largely mitigate the risks to the miners, manufacturers, and installers, but that is… Well, expensive. And people have a really bad tendency to ignore health and safety warnings when they’re inconvenient. You see the same issue with quartz countertops; they’re known to cause silicosis in people that are doing the cutting unless they do wet cutting for everything, and wear PPE, but a lot of people don’t, because wet-cutting is messy and slow, and PPE is hot and uncomfortable.
There was a big movement in the late 90s to remove asbestos from old buildings; the current advice is to encapsulate it, and leave it in place.
You also have to consider removal at the end of life. Or safety risks if another country drops bombs randomly on your cities.
Fair point about removal; but if you’re being bombed, I think asbestos is going to be low on your list of worries.
they were almost entirely safe for the occupants of the building
So would you live in a house your whole life that’s “almost” entirely safe? I don’t think I would
There are plenty of things that you deal with on a daily basis that are significantly more dangerous than asbestos. And if it had been treated like the hazardous material that it is as soon as we knew it was hazardous, then it would still be used just like all the other hazardous shit we deal with daily. However, as is the usual story, companies not only hid what they knew, but outright lied about its dangers. They called it a miracle material with no downsides. And it is amazingly good at what it does, so it was put in fucking everything, much like AI is today. And so people died for profit. A lot of people.
Like that sandwich with “recipe created by AI” on the label?
And it is amazingly good at what it does, so it was put in fucking everything, much like AI is today. And so people died for profit. A lot of people
funny how history rhymes. I think the confluence of AI and rising fascism is going to kill a lot more people than asbestos if we don’t get our shit together. probably too late now.
I did in Chicago. And I absolutely would again, because it makes my house much less likely to burn down from e.g. an electrical fire.
I quit smoking a decade ago; my risk of lung cancer was–is–far, far higher from smoking than it ever would have been from living in a house with asbestos insulation in the walls and around pipes.
Millions of people do and have. They are again almost entirely fine.
I do. My ceiling almost certainly has asbestos in it. I just don’t touch it. Also uncovered a few chunks that looked kinda asbestossy when breaking up the concrete in the garden, it was only a few chunks so I assume something containing it had been dumped there many decades ago. I just disposed of it with everything else and pretended I didn’t see anything.
It was a very dusty job in the first place so I started spraying it with water to help prevent the dust getting into the air.
Yup. It’s a pretty wondrous material, except the bit about causing cancer.
Aren’t there ways to treat the asbestos and prevent the fibers from becoming airborne and posing a serious risk?
Encapsulation, yeah. That’s usually what they do now, since encapsulation is usually cheaper, and generally less disruptive.
I’m a little surprised Trump hasn’t signed the “Asbestos Fibers Are Our Friends” Executive Order.
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