The Hamas-run Health Ministry in the Gaza Strip says at least 500 people have been killed in an explosion that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike.
Updated: Israel denies involvement in deadly Gaza hospital blast, says explosion caused by Islamic Jihad
If Israel really wanted protection they would offer a peace treaty and guarantees to not take any more land with Gaza if Palestinians handed over every member of Hamas for prosecution / imprisonment / execution.
But they want that land so they don’t care how many civilians deaths it takes, they like having Hamas there because it provides them excuses.
Seems like you like having Hamas there because it gives you an excuse to attack Israel. You’re literally supporting terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
This is a catastrophically bad take on what they said. Condemnation of Israeli war crimes does not equal antisemitism or an endorsement of Hamas. You can abhor Hamas and Israeli war crimes at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.
The comment I was replying to literally said Israel was doing all this so they could take the Gaza land from the Palestinians using Hamas as an excuse. That’s not condemnation, that’s inventing a reason to hate Israel.
It is a fact that Israel under Netanyahu empowered and propped up Hamas. An indisputable fact. Thus a logical argument can be made that Israel stood to benefit from Hamas in power. Not sure what’s made up about that.
Again, criticism of Israel does not equal hatred of Israel or antisemitism in any way. It’s a bad faith argument to act like they’re the same.
And again, Hamas is completely responsible for their own actions, no matter who they’re taking money from. It’s like saying the U.S. is responsible for war crimes because they’ve given money to Israel. The actors in the scene are responsible for what they do. In the context of the user I was replying to, they clearly stated Israel is supporting Hamas so they can take Gaza for themselves. That’s what I disputed. That’s not criticism, it’s manufactured.
Bibbi outright said Hamas was good for Israel. It’s hilarious you’re calling people sheep when you buy every single piece of propaganda coming from Israel. History matters, context matters. Don’t have an open air concentration camp outside “your city” and your neighbors would like you better. Stop excusing war crimes cause the perpetrators are on your side.
They’re not arguing in good faith, they’re just trying to recontextualize the argument to you defending Hamas and then equating that israel’s response is a just and proper revenge. There’s a bunch of accounts pulling this same shtick all over lemmy recently.
Ah, Israel made the terrorists and it’s Israel’s fault the terrorists attack them. And, what? Israel should allow the terrorists to exist because it’s Israel’s fault? You realize you’re excusing terrorists that would kill you without hesitation? That’s what you’re defending.
It is sad, what Hamas did to Israel. Brutalized children. Raped parents. Uploading it to their Facebook. Do you demand Israel continue to live that way? Do you demand they live under 100s of rockets per day launched at them? Because the alternative is dead Palestinians?
That’s a nice article. It doesn’t matter what Netanyahu did or supported, because fundamentally the terrorists are responsible for their own actions. You can’t say Israel gave money to Hamas, so it’s Israel’s fault they were attacked. Hamas is responsible for deciding to carry out the attack, no matter who they were taking money from. That’s how responsibility works. And, because of what Hamas did, Israel is right to defend itself.
There’s already been 2 terrorist attacks in Europe and based on the evacuations of public spaces in France it seems like it’s only the start. I’m not sure if it’s all because of the war (the attack in Brussels seems to be more related to ISIS according to the news) but it sure seems like it’s gotten a lot more frequent since it really kicked off last week.
let them figure it out with their Arab neighbours.
I have a bad feeling that would result in… Well, more obvious genocide than is currently happening. I think the only reason Israel hasn’t already turned all of Gaza into a smoking crater is because they would become a pariah in the international community.
Not that there are better options, and fwiw it’s probably the correct thing to do overall, I’m just worried about the consequences.
Supporting Israel probably IS the “best” thing for the world at this point, sad as it is.
The Hamas attack was allegedly bankrolled by Iran as a way to destabilize Israel and to disrupt potential alliance talks with the Saudis. There is the constant fear that things will escalate and… they kind of already are due to the various (alleged?) strikes at or near borders.
Right now, the threat of the US and other “Western” nations getting involved is keeping that somewhat in check. Without that, we are looking at another Six Day War situation… involving multiple nuclear powers.
I REALLY hope there are a lot of back channel condemnations and threats occurring. And I do hope this leads to, bare minimum, economic sanctions. But we more or less can’t say “Fuck it, you monsters are on your own”.
As for “a right to self-defense is not a blank check to commit war crimes”: Uhm… probably check out most (all?) of the wars of the 20th century. Sorry, “conflicts” because the w word is bad. Civilians suffer for the dick measuring of their leaders.
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If Israel really wanted protection they would offer a peace treaty and guarantees to not take any more land with Gaza if Palestinians handed over every member of Hamas for prosecution / imprisonment / execution.
But they want that land so they don’t care how many civilians deaths it takes, they like having Hamas there because it provides them excuses.
Seems like you like having Hamas there because it gives you an excuse to attack Israel. You’re literally supporting terrorists who would kill you without hesitation.
This is a catastrophically bad take on what they said. Condemnation of Israeli war crimes does not equal antisemitism or an endorsement of Hamas. You can abhor Hamas and Israeli war crimes at the same time, the two are not mutually exclusive.
But I suspect you already knew that.
The comment I was replying to literally said Israel was doing all this so they could take the Gaza land from the Palestinians using Hamas as an excuse. That’s not condemnation, that’s inventing a reason to hate Israel.
It is a fact that Israel under Netanyahu empowered and propped up Hamas. An indisputable fact. Thus a logical argument can be made that Israel stood to benefit from Hamas in power. Not sure what’s made up about that.
Again, criticism of Israel does not equal hatred of Israel or antisemitism in any way. It’s a bad faith argument to act like they’re the same.
And again, Hamas is completely responsible for their own actions, no matter who they’re taking money from. It’s like saying the U.S. is responsible for war crimes because they’ve given money to Israel. The actors in the scene are responsible for what they do. In the context of the user I was replying to, they clearly stated Israel is supporting Hamas so they can take Gaza for themselves. That’s what I disputed. That’s not criticism, it’s manufactured.
Oh man, you’re so close to getting it.
Bibbi outright said Hamas was good for Israel. It’s hilarious you’re calling people sheep when you buy every single piece of propaganda coming from Israel. History matters, context matters. Don’t have an open air concentration camp outside “your city” and your neighbors would like you better. Stop excusing war crimes cause the perpetrators are on your side.
They’re not arguing in good faith, they’re just trying to recontextualize the argument to you defending Hamas and then equating that israel’s response is a just and proper revenge. There’s a bunch of accounts pulling this same shtick all over lemmy recently.
Ah, Israel made the terrorists and it’s Israel’s fault the terrorists attack them. And, what? Israel should allow the terrorists to exist because it’s Israel’s fault? You realize you’re excusing terrorists that would kill you without hesitation? That’s what you’re defending.
Buddy, Come on. This is getting sad.
It is sad, what Hamas did to Israel. Brutalized children. Raped parents. Uploading it to their Facebook. Do you demand Israel continue to live that way? Do you demand they live under 100s of rockets per day launched at them? Because the alternative is dead Palestinians?
False dichotomy much?
Seems like you don’t know that Netanyahu funded Hamas on multiple occasions
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Daniel you need a history lesson.
That’s a nice article. It doesn’t matter what Netanyahu did or supported, because fundamentally the terrorists are responsible for their own actions. You can’t say Israel gave money to Hamas, so it’s Israel’s fault they were attacked. Hamas is responsible for deciding to carry out the attack, no matter who they were taking money from. That’s how responsibility works. And, because of what Hamas did, Israel is right to defend itself.
There’s already been 2 terrorist attacks in Europe and based on the evacuations of public spaces in France it seems like it’s only the start. I’m not sure if it’s all because of the war (the attack in Brussels seems to be more related to ISIS according to the news) but it sure seems like it’s gotten a lot more frequent since it really kicked off last week.
Did you really pay attention to terrorist attacks in Europe prior to last week?
And the last thing we want right now is another war. This would be a disaster and cause so much suffering to all parties involved.
I have a bad feeling that would result in… Well, more obvious genocide than is currently happening. I think the only reason Israel hasn’t already turned all of Gaza into a smoking crater is because they would become a pariah in the international community.
Not that there are better options, and fwiw it’s probably the correct thing to do overall, I’m just worried about the consequences.
It’s not even clear they would.
Supporting Israel probably IS the “best” thing for the world at this point, sad as it is.
The Hamas attack was allegedly bankrolled by Iran as a way to destabilize Israel and to disrupt potential alliance talks with the Saudis. There is the constant fear that things will escalate and… they kind of already are due to the various (alleged?) strikes at or near borders.
Right now, the threat of the US and other “Western” nations getting involved is keeping that somewhat in check. Without that, we are looking at another Six Day War situation… involving multiple nuclear powers.
I REALLY hope there are a lot of back channel condemnations and threats occurring. And I do hope this leads to, bare minimum, economic sanctions. But we more or less can’t say “Fuck it, you monsters are on your own”.
As for “a right to self-defense is not a blank check to commit war crimes”: Uhm… probably check out most (all?) of the wars of the 20th century. Sorry, “conflicts” because the w word is bad. Civilians suffer for the dick measuring of their leaders.
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