• eyelevel@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    Sure, it can seem on the surface like wanting to support people of a particular race is in itself a kind of racism, or at least a situation that emphasizes unfair distinctions.

    Unfortunately, race does still matter in America, even if we personally disagree with it or want to ignore it. The health and economic research data make it very clear that people of color in America, especially black people, experience harder lives in almost every category. This is due to both recurring experiences of present-day prejudice and discrimination, as well the inter-generational impacts of wealth inequality and psychological trauma.

    You might already know about this, but redlining is one example of the way that patterns of discrimination can creates a systemic effect, which, in turn, can impact the physical and financial effects on a family across time. These kinds of systemic effects can then make it harder for current generations of these families to recover and live safe lives today though, we personally might celebrate that the policy doesn’t exist anymore, and even though we personally might say that we don’t support people acting like that anymore.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

    No one really has to do anything, but some people might choose to support groups of people or organizations who they think might have experienced similar kinds of hardships in their families, and might be glad to have a way to try to do something different with their money than give it to another multinational corporation every time.

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      15 hours ago

      Right but as far as I understand it the supermarkets and wholesalers screw all farmers over equally race isn’t a consideration.

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      16 hours ago

      Yeah I’ve heard these arguments. I still hold my opinion. America needs to move away from the race obsession.

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              54 minutes ago

              Right. Its going so well for you guys so far, remind me again which breed of nazis are in power, and whicj programs they are focusing on destroying?

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                51 minutes ago

                So you are going to act like everyone in America is the exact same. With the same views? Did you miss the election where roughly half of the country didn’t want this or are you just lashing out because your stance was questioned.

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            12 hours ago

            As in

            • Not talking about race will solve the lingering systemic race issues, or
            • There are no lingering systemic race issues, so we should stop talking about it?
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              Not OP, but keep seeing the world as if it is “us vs them” or “black vs white” or “right vs left” or “rich vs poor” will not help find common ground and compromises. There is no compromise for racism, but people putting more attention on it will only promote looking at the situation in a way where the difference matters.

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              10 hours ago

              Oh no the US is a shitshow of systemic racism, like super ridiculous on every level. There is such a wild undercurrent, surface levek and then an even weirder like super liminal racism where it just has to be mentioned.

              Watch like any late night and they will make a self depricating white person joke, middle aged white guy thing. Just stfu about all of it, address the systemic issues with actual actions and then just you know…live as neighbours as americans.

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                57 minutes ago

                So the US is a shitshow of systemic racism but you want everyone to stop talking about race? Sounds like a way to never fix the problem.

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                  Yeah I want everyone to stop thinking that making jokes about white people’s potato salad being lacking in flavour and thinking it is 1. Funny and 2. Making any fucking difference other than highlighting differences. Black people can swim and have small dicks, white people can dance. The pop culture racism is boring and part of the problem.

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                    53 minutes ago

                    Why are you talking about white people jokes when I’m talking about systemic oppression.

                    We were talking about systemic racism. A thing that ruins lives, not bad jokes.

                    You get how you can’t solve racism without discussing race right?