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Not a snowballs chance in… in… Canada?
Those are actually decent odds.
Trump lied about anything and everything. It’s impossible to call him out on any of it because he is so good at creating these bullshit headlines. Inflation, Ukraine, healthcare, abortion, doesn’t matter, if he needed to say something in the campaign to win he said it.
Now in a short time, we will know what he is actually up to, but for now, he generate so much bullshit that becomes a cls command. The media, headlines, social, all his bullshit. Everything he said before, cleared off the screen (front page).
The man is an literal technocrat with extreme skill: Techno: skill Crat: power
He has everyone wrapped around his finger. Well played Mofo.
Shouldnt even dignify the orange moron with an answer
Trump must have visited bumfuck nowhere Alberta and extrapolated that to the rest of the country
with the foreign interference report in the news in canada, canadians need to be reminded that america is also foreign actor that intereferes with our country’s affairs. They are just as Malicious as the Indians, Chinese and Russians. At least the intereference that comes from the EU is still in our own interests, unlike the robbers, theives, killers, and hopeful Suzerian’s of the others
All I can say is freedom isn’t free. Maybe that’s something Canadians need to learn, I don’t know - I don’t really want to assume. But I got a cascadian flag tattoo on my left arm like a soldier’s patch for a reason. I’ve been thinking in neomedieval military terms since I was a teenager at an alternative high school in the late 2000s.
Freedom needs to be constantly defended. If you can’t give up any kind of tribute to a governing authority or series of governing authorities to defend it for you or don’t find any existing entity as authentically defending it then you frankly have to defend it yourself. Same principle for arguing in favor of participatory democracy - if you don’t participate in democracy in some meaningful way you are bound to lose it.
Its almost as if nobody realised decades ago that putting all our eggs in one super nation state basket for world protection, a super nation that had been known to have Hollywood politics corrupt to its core, was a bad, bad idea…
Canada can come down here and burn down the White House. Again.
I’ll provide the marshmallows.
Pretty sure that was the British
just looked it up, it was the british. in an operation led by (drumroll please): rear-admiral george cockburn. i didnt read further and now believe he incinerated the whitehouse with his power of dick rashes
It may come as a surprise for you, but Canadians were once mostly British
There’s a great song about him called The Man who Burned the White House Down by David Rovics
I specifically immigrated to Canada from America. I refuse to go back.
xmunk is ours now trump
Same. This eyeballing of Canada has me a little stressed out that my life will go back to being absolute shit and I won’t have healthcare or be happy.
xmunk’s a keeper, Trump. I won’t let you have them back!!!
Well, consider what would happen to elections if we join the US. We’d certainly not join as one state and our parties won’t just fold and disappear. The US political bus will swerve hard left by US standards with someone like AOC getting elected prez.
Sir or Madam, I present to you, Puerto Rico, a territory with no federal representation. may I also present to you the United Fruit Company and Nestle. or at least their model.
Canadians wouldn’t have rights in the US, we’d live under a Quisling government for a hundred years or more while the territory is slowly “assimilated” into “American customs”. while Corporations would pilfer the resources and workforce here at gunpoint. maybe after 80-100 years, a couple of small regions would be carved out into new states. but make no mistake, it’d be sold as a prosperous unificaiton, and the receipt would read “Military Occupation and bloody insurgency”
Jokes aside that’s a scary possibility and it dovetails well with uncle Dolan’s rhetoric.
Reminder that the Canadian populace is about 1/10 of America’s.
If in some freak alternate timeline where we actually to get absolved into the States, we 100% lose all autonomy as Canadians and our political preference would be thrown to the wayside and completely outvoted.
Total population, sure, but it’s not like the states are divided by population. I’m not selling for a single state worth of representation. Electoral college is first past the post baby!
assuming Canada is a state and not a territory like Puerto Rico
you’re assuming in a timeline where Canada is annexed by America, that America is still a democratic republic and not a Fascist Warmongeirng Kakistocracy
Jokes on you. Canada is still in America
Jokes on you. Canada is still in America
I prefer Elizabeth May’s invitation to California, Oregon and Washington.
USA can stay red, impoverished and ignorant. The adults in the room can get on with Nation Building.
Maybe BC would go there to form Cascadia.
ON and MB would join up with IL, MI, WL and MN.
Maritime Provinces & NL would go with New England.
Quebec would finally gain independence. And the territories would have to accept their new reality.
AB can fuck off.
I feel like I am forgetting one… whatever.
I feel like I’m forgetting one… whatever.
sad Saskatchewan noises
(S’ok, I can’t hear them either over the Scott Moe Killed a Woman Due to Recklessness)
As an Alberta I resent the accuracy of your assessment…
In the past, Trump has accused Canada of accepting a $100-billion subsidy from the United States. It’s unclear exactly what he is referencing, but it may refer to the trade deficit between the two countries.
But on Tuesday, that purported $100-billion subsidy rose to $200 billion. CTVNews.ca has reached out to Trump’s media office to clarify what the $200-billion figure represents.
“I love the Canadian people, they’re great,” he said. “We’re spending hundreds of billions a year to take care of Canada. … We can’t do it forever.”
It sounds like what is going on here is, Trump is doing the normal Trump thing of starting with a conservative narrative (austerity, cutting off moochers) and brazenly lying about the state of the world to fill in the blanks of that narrative, knowing his supporters are happy to live in a fictional world, knowing he can’t be called out on it in a way that will matter, knowing that it will get people to continue paying attention to him.
Last time they lived in a world of alternate facts, is it so hard to believe that they’ve evolved into alternate reality?
They are looking more and more like Russia every day,
I’m not gonna last another four years of this insanity…
That’s their goal, don’t give up.
tune out of the internet a little more often, turn off the TV. stop engaging with people who are obsessed with media/news/politics. cut off some family members if need be.
maybe, just maybe, take a firearms safety course and PAL, and buy a gun if you are really scared, but Id suggest just finding better things to spend time on than worrying about how stupid amorphous strangers on the other side of the continent/world are being
The $200B, I assume, is a made up portion of US military budget “assigned for the protection of Canada”. Perhaps it is the value of Canadian auto/timber/dairy industry, not just exports, but I doubt it. It is a made up number nonetheless.
In other thread, while there is unanimity against 51st state idea, there is desperation among Canadians/politicians on staying the US empire’s bitch. He’s made the exact same threats against Europe. NATO kicking out the US and also joining SCO is the right move to isolate the demonic evil US empire’s reign of terror on the world and “its allies”. Clinging to being US’s colony by desperately increasing the level of sycophancy to its wars, is path to worse domination/subservience. The “freedom and democracy” rhetoric for subservience must stop immediately, because democracy is a complete joke. Israel first rule in US, and US first rule in colonies, is not functional politics.
Canada joining BRICS and SCO as a military alliance with protection from North Korea, Russia, China would eliminate the “US burden from protecting Canada”. Canada buying Michigan would protect auto industry. Offering Provincehood to any US states would allow those states to escape their crushing share of federal debt, and escape oppression that Trump wants to impose on them. World needs to move on from US empire, and shifting trade and military alliances would address Trump’s complaint about Canadian exports, or make them realize that Canada is far more useful as a bitch than independent.
It’s fascinating rhetoric if he is talking about the trade deficit. It really speaks to his habitual refusal to pay for products and services rendered.
He thinks paying for shit is for suckers.
The irony that if the reverse happened so much would actually improve for the ex-Americans, Canada, and most of the World.
Only the northern border and the coasts. The rest is pretty unfixable.
Utah can fuck off too. The mormons at least.
That beautiful land is wasted on them.
I volunteer Washington state as tribute!
East Coast to a point, before you hit the Carolinas would be where I’d draw the line.
“In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.”
“annex” implies they actually have a claim on Canada. It would be an invasion.
And in such an invasion, you’d best believe that the European nations would love to come to Canada’s aid because a) They will also be needing the resources, and b) They like us a hell of a lot more than they like the U.S.
So no…a U.S invasion wouldn’t be an annexation, it would be the U.S. getting it’s shit kicked in by virtually every country in the world coming to Canada’s defence.
Europe would definitely not come to our aid. There’s nothing to gain, and everything to lose. Plus they barely came to the aid of a country being invaded in their own back yard. If they fear provoking Russia’s ire, they wouldn’t touch the US with a ten thousand foot pole.
Even if they did declare war against the US, it wouldn’t tip the balance of power.
It’d be the US kicking everyone elses shit in, until the British and French let the nukes fly, I hate to break it to you but the US is multitudes more powerful than the rest of NATO, NATO can still burn the US, but they’ll burn with it. Same goes for Russia.
conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
what the US doesn’t have the stomach for , is occupation. they were defeated by mountain men with 70 year old Kalashnikovs on the other side of the world, who were so culturally different from them they might as well have been aliens, Just imagine what it’d be like against an enemy on your doorstep that looks and talks just like you. that you cant tell from your own. Wait, you dont’ even need to imagine, because it already happened, Look at how Russia’s occupation was torn apart by the Ukrainian resistance. The only way they ever secure land is by bombing it to dust and moving in.
and unlike Russia, America has a formidable faction within its own borders who would revolt and start a civil war if the Trump/MAGA administration became hostile to America’s friends and allies.
Americans traditionally aren’t interested in the land itself. Just the access to their resources under a puppet government. If America really wants to annex Canada it probably won’t be by conventional war.
conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
I see what you’re saying. But that Hegemony is based entirely on military bases spread on foreign soil in countries who would immediately upon the start of hostilities annex them. No one “individual” American military base could possibly win a battle surrounded by a suddenly hostile foreign country that they now find themselves an enclave in. Just like that…within days, American’s global reach would vanish (with the exception of naval power of course)
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s a great discussion to have, though I’d never like to see it proven one way or another.
I was speaing from the point of view as someone in north america having to deal with american aggression, Yeah the US would lose its bases across the world in short order, but No one is going to be able to come to the aid of Canada or Mexico if they were invaded. Not as long as the US still has the USN,
and the next two largest Navies, are also states Canada would never accept help from, Russia and China… China is a hard sell, if America was hostile, and China extended a hand, yeah there’d be strings attached, If it were my choice, I’d take it if it meant it was Only Chinese assistance. Russian on the other hand, The Russian ideology is incompatible with life as we know it, I’d rather go down fighting than ever shake hands with Z-Nazis who I personally believe are the ringmasters of this entire world crisis with America turning the way it is.
(also a good portion of the Russian navy is creating a coral reef at the bottom of the black sea, where it belongs)
There would be a problem of “you go first…”
If the US became Imperialistic, and I mean old-school Imperial, non of this new age cultural or economic imperialism, then they could probably “take” their first conquest or two without much opposition. In this case Canada and Greenland would probably fall to US occupation.
It’s what would happen next that would destroy the American Empire. Everything you said is true, and every one of the US’s allies would wonder if they are next. If Canada, the US’s closest ally for generations cannot trust the US who can? The clear answer is no one. I would expect a swift unravelling of the global order. The EU would be an interesting case. With a belligerent (but failing) Russia to the East, and their long standing guarantor of peace suddenly no better, would it crack under the stress or would something more capable emerge?
It’s a horrific dystopian future we face, the entire globe would be plunged into an era of increased tension and military spending in the best case.
The current US “empire” has shown that buying something is cheaper and more beneficial than conquering something. In a few short years Trump might effectively vastly increase the cost of power from Canadian hydro facilities and at the same time scare away any others that would do business with them.
Alternative timeline…
Many European nations want to fight to defend Canada but can not unite in this purpose as many nations consider how it will benefit them to come out having supported the winning side. Others because they don’t want to fight against a nation with such a powerful military.
During the ongoing debate on what to do, America completes its invasion of Canada and declares it an Annexation and gives anyone who objects to this in Canada the old American highschool treatment.
and America inherits an insurgency of people that effortlessly blends in to its own population, and pikachu faces as “terroist” attacks from Canadian sympathisers and Enraged Moderates and Democrat leaning types decide that its time for a civil war against the Tyrannic regime.
However, if America’s attempt at Annexation began because Canada began pursuing greater economic ties with Europe in an attempt to distance themselves from the United States, then it changes Europe’s reaction.
Canada spent the last few years building their own refineries so as to not be dependent on the United States, allowing them more freedom as to who and where they sell their oil. They’ve fortified their power grid and increased their military spending. They’ve even made some overtures towards ratifying a more formal relationship with the EU because their vast resource wealth gives them bargaining power, which opens up the possibility of EU nukes on Canada’s southern border.
America feeling threatened by that is what ignites the attempt at annexation. EU’s response wouldn’t be so fractured in that case because their very existence relies on having Canada’s resources.
(This is all alternative history of course. But it’s a fun game to play)
And no, America wouldn’t be “The winning side” in a war against every other developed nation. They are the largest single military, yes. But put enough countries together in what we’ll call a “coalition of the anti-dickhead-president”, who are both fighting physically AND embargoing them financially, they wouldn’t have a chance in the long run. Canada’s first move is to flip a switch in Quebec and cut the power to the entire eastern seaboard. They’re second move is to shut the pipelines to the American refineries.
Even the largest military runs on oil. The U.S. is far more dependent on the rest of the world than it thinks. It essentially maintains it’s military supremacy at the whim of the rest of the world, not despite it.
“Is it supposed to be bigger than your thumb, or mine…?”
Well, the writing of this world’s lore is getting as shitty as fallouts. So. tracks.
If Canada were to be annexed into the United States, it would rank as the third most populous state, and the second largest in terms of GDP.
As it is the second largest country in the world, it’s size would be unmatched by any U.S. state. In length and girth.