There are 3 manifestos circulating. One is definitely fake as it was written by someone with an average intellect at best. It goes on to reference the Ridley Scott film “Gladiator” and is rife with spelling and grammatical errors. The second one that police released to the media with instructions not to publish it starts off boot licking cops saying “(to the feds) I appreciate what you do for our country” and the one i believe to be the legitimate Manifesto is on his personal website which shares his twitter handle. People have attempted to discredit this one by saying the metadata says it was created December ninth, however this does not add up. Firstly when you type the URL into the website age checker it says it was created sometime in july 2023. Secondly if you search the link in google you will see it is timestamped December 3rd. The day before the shooting. It is hosted in Rekyjavik Iceland on an encrypted .WHOIS server. However this is not all that leads me to believe it is legitimate.
Next if you examine the main page of the website you will see there are 2 posts as well as links to Mangione’s twitter, Github, LinkedIn and email address. Also the 2 links are tech projects he worked on. One is an AI project and the other is a robotics engineering project where he created a robot that mimics his own movements. This post has 3 pictures/.gifs of him controlling the device through his movements. These images are not located anywhere else online.
Next i analyzed the manifesto on this site and there are zero grammatical or spelling errors. I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document. Firstly I asked if it appeared to be written by a person or an AI and it unequivocally answered that it is human generated. Next i had it assess the level of intellect and schooling as well as the age of the writer. It said the writer appears to be between the age of 30-50 but a high level of prestigious schooling could mean that the writer is indeed younger.
Now I remembered seeing someone post a twitter link to a paper mangione wrote about Christianity and the roman empire. So i pulled this up entered it into chat gpt and had it run an analysis on both. I then asked what the likelihood that both of these documents were written by the dame author and chat gpt said it was very likely especially if the manifesto was written years after the first allowing the writers skill level to increase. I have the chat gpt conversation screen shots if people would like me to post them or have any other ideas as to how this manifesto could be further analyzed.
But the manifesto that I believe to be the real deal is located at www dot pepmangione dot com backslash manifesto. I would link it but it seems the entire internet is on damage control for billionaires to scrub as much pro mangione content as they possibly can. Ive had YouTube comments shadow hidden and removed for just spelling out this link as I’ve done above
I used to be on reddit but luckily for me i didnt have to deal with tje insane censorship resulting from this phenomenon. However i had to deal with it 6-7 months ago when i was perma-IP banned for pointing out that international law states indigenous populations have a right ro defend themselves by any means necessary including the big V word. Now ive seen more than half a dozen Luigi Mangione Reddit subs wiped from existence in the last 10 days. Ive seen posts on photoshop battles nuked. Ive seen a sub with users who are flared as uhc corporate affiliated spreading ridiculous propaganda that was then parroted bu CNN 2 days later (brian Thompson is the new george floyd and other ridiculous shit) this sub is r/fuckluigimangione it reads like satire but their automod is ready to state otherwise anytime anyone asks if it is satirical.
We are living in a blatantly fascist plutocratic oligarchy.
I then had chat gpt do some analysis of the document.
This kind of analysis is worse than useless, and if this is what you’re basing your claim on… I’ll trust Klippenstein over you.
The whois info is pretty trustworthy, but yeah the chatgpt shit is just modern dowsing.
As a decades experienced web engineer, I’d like to know, what is an encrypted .WHOIS server? In all of my time, I’ve never seen those words put together in that order.
I think what you’re trying to say is that the WHOIS data associated with the domain is from a privacy service, not an actual person. You can pretty clearly see in that data that the domain was registered on Dec 9th of this year, and that part can’t be faked (at least, it can only be faked by the registrar, and I don’t think NameCheap Inc is in on it). So unless he set this domain up right before they arrested him, no, this is not his domain.
The IP address in the A record for that domain belongs to Amazon Inc, and is located in San Jose, CA. That pretty much shows that it’s running on an AWS machine. So yeah, literally anyone with some basic web knowledge could have set that up in a few minutes.
As even further evidence that it wasn’t him, the Wayback Machine only shows snapshots of that domain since Dec 9, 2024, the day the domain was registered. And the page changes between the night of the ninth, and the morning of the tenth, while he was in custody.
Thanks for your input. I do not have an expert grasp of coding or programming.
Is there no possibility one could have set this domain up to release after being arrested either by oneself or with a participating party?
That would be a stupid way to do it. Setting up the infrastructure can happen months before any content is visible.
Hyperrins explanation points to the idea that someone was actively setting this up when the news of the arrest dropped.
If it was set up beforehand, the content would be available on the first snapshot or there would be blank Wayback entries for more than only a few hours.
The entire section where you interacted with ChatGPT is completely and utterly useless. Every bit of it.
Agree to disagree. Is it on par with a forensic analysis of the writing style and composition of both documents? Definitely not. But is it completely useless? I don’t think so. Might as well use AI as a tool whenever we can.
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What a convincing argument, bravo!
You brought no argument either. You only said that you don’t think it’s useless without backing that up.
May I remind you that chatgp is not intelligent, it doesn’t understand things. it’s only a statistical tool, answering with what would be most probably found in the corpus of text it was fed on.
An example of something that is useless would be a random rock in a mechanics tool box. Or a fork where the tines are connected to the handle by chain links. AI may be flawed but it can definitely be useful. And i think analyzing writing style and composition is something that it can handle without being capable of comprehending what it means to be human. Something that a large portion of humans ever to exist likely also didn’t comprehend
What exactly makes you think it has been trained to analyze writing style and composition? That sounds like a pretty niche LLM, in contrast to ChatGPT.
Is there convincing research on chatgpt stylometry ability?
Ill have to dig into that over the next day or so but a quick search provided me with this information
The accuracy of AI stylometry analysis can vary depending on the complexity of the situation, but generally reaches high levels, with studies reporting accuracies often exceeding 80% and sometimes reaching near 90% when identifying authorship in controlled scenarios, especially when comparing between only a few potential authors; however, accuracy can significantly decrease when dealing with a large pool of possible authors or when authors intentionally try to obfuscate their writing style
ChatGPT doesnt know shit about fuck. NEXT!
Anybody could be wrong about anything, but Ken Klippenstien has a track record of being right. You have a two-day-old account on Lemmy, and an unwarranted reliance on ChatGPT.
I used to have a 2 year old account with a bunch if meaningless karma on reddit but those basrards IP banned me 6 months ago for a comment that said international law states indigenous populations have a right to defend themselves from occupation by any means.
I might be wrong, but my gut tells me something smells fishy and only one of these documents sounds like it was written by an ivy league cum laude graduate. ill admit I put too much stock into irrelevant factors. However my gut is still pulling me towards believing this other manifesto seems more believable.
And its not that i don’t think Klippenstien is a good reporter or that he’s not trustworthy. Its that i think cops and the reporters working for legacy media are both extremely untrustworthy. I guess only time will tell and if I’m wrong ill eat my words.
