After being harassed in multiple discord channels by powermod FlyingSquid the news mod blackbeard has shuttered his account and moved to bluesky.

https://ibb.co/cY44MgF

https://lemmy.world/u/Blackbeard

"The recklessness with which people downvote polite disagreements reminds me of all the worst parts of Reddit, and it proves to me that this isn’t the social media savior I’d hoped it would be, and is instead just another echo chamber. I hope eventually lemmy.world (and the fediverse more broadly) can grow out of that, but some of the behavior I’ve seen on the inside from both mods and admins doesn’t really inspire much confidence for that kind of evolution in the short term. "

FlyingSquid is the same mod who has the power to siteban people from lemmy.world

Why does lemmy.world keep having issues with their powermods and admins? Why do powermods get the ability to siteban their enemies from the largest instance?

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    Flying Squid has a site wide reputation for being like this. Arguing/discussing anything with this person is like talking to a wall. Not to mention their overuse and abuse of authority.

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      FS is annoying and thinks every single time someone disagrees with them, its a personal attack and they must be aligned to some power.

      Literally anytime someone used to just lightly criticize their favorite thing or person, FS would write blocks of text explaining why that opinion or fact was unjustified, and if you continued, you got banned.

      FS is annoying and acts like they are better for just random things. Literally recently they said they’re trying to leave the United States, and acting like its a noble sacrifice to leave the queer and BIPOC they once “defended and care about” behind. Said “Maybe I’ll give some GoFundMes, I don’t care.”

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      If you want some insight, check this user’s comments and sort by controversial. Then do the same for FlyingSquid.

      Have some citations for that abuse of authority? OP alluded to abuse of authority by pointing out various powers FlyingSquid has, but in my mind very tellingly didn’t actually provide any examples of abuse of authority. The screenshotted conversation, where a person with some site admin powers is reporting things as a regular user, and then when a mod gets really hostile and insulting with them, simply says “Oh, okay, I think I just won’t participate in your stuff then, if my presence is unwanted,” doesn’t exactly paint the picture of some kind of power-mad petulant tyrant.

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        Hey, yo, I got one! I once argued with FS about something where he continuously attempted to goad me, argued disingenuously, and acted childishly, and when I rightfully called him out on all of that, he removed my comment. It was a rather small abuse of power, but I have seen him act righteously indignant, especially when he is called out for acting like a child. He does not differentiate this from a personal attack, especially when he was very much responsible for escalating several interactions he has with others.

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          What community did this take place in?

          Edit: I think I found it.

          https://lemmy.world/comment/12606768

          https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=1040702

          It’s sort of an ESH situation, and after that length of bickering I can’t see why either of you continued the conversation. But I don’t at all agree with your summary. It looks to me like he wanted to talk facts, you wanted to insult him and avoid the factual discussion, and he ended the conversation and then removed one comment afterwards where you started going after him personally (“insipid” “impetuous” “childish”).

          I’m not sure what you were trying to accomplish by refusing to answer his questions and instead inflaming the bickering, but ending the conversation and removing the escalation sounds like the right response to me.

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            Additionally, I called him childish because he was mocking others, and I pointed that out to him with his own quote.

            He was not arguing in good faith, and to believe otherwise is to, frankly, underestimate him.

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            I did answer his questions. He didn’t like the answers. They weren’t either-or question, and it can, indeed, be answered with answers he doesn’t like, because those questions were leading.

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        It’s clear FS has been doing this for some time and Blackbeard was getting sick and tired of it. Telling someone who regularly reports users to mind what they consider report worthy is something I imagine a lot of mods have to do. Saying “Well then, I guess I won’t report anything if that’s the way it’s going to be” is pretty childish IMO. Especially considering FS is a mod themselves.

        FS is just very combative in nature. I’ve seen it several times. They’re not an easy person to have a discussion with.

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              Oh no! What happened after saroh was banned?

              It would be silly if your case for “abuse of power” was that two months ago, FlyingSquid sent one rude message to one user because he made a mistake, so I know it’s not that.

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                People on Lemmy really seem to hate his guts, that much is apparent. Not just in this thread but everywhere else as well.

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                  I don’t think they actually do. I think it’s a very vocal contingent, which has at least a little bit of overlap with the “Kamala Harris is literally Hitler” contingent. Also, I don’t participate enough in lemmy.world to be aware of what their normal moderation style is, but just based on this one instance it sounds like FlyingSquid unlike most LW mods is interested in taking some kind of action against the “Kamala Harris is literally Hitler” contingent.

                  Make of that what you will.

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                  The general message I’m getting in the comments here are pretty favorable to FS. He’s a good guy. And his private discussion should not have been made public.

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                This entire post is because of FlyingSquid throwing a tantrum because Blackbeard told them to mind how they report comments. That’s all the was asked. This is after months of this behavior. Then FlyingSquid goes on this whole rant about how they feel unsafe and took a less than hour silence as being ignored and began acting even more childishly.

                Meanwhile I gave one example of FlyingSquid literally running into the same thing for a community they mod and threatening to ban the person with absolutely zero discussion. They could have just started with a warning like Blackbeard did but instead went straight for threatening to ban the user.

                Are you not seeing the double standard?

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                  It is obvious that you and I see the screenshotted conversation very differently from one another.

                  I don’t think FlyingSquid should have sent one rude message to that one user that one time, no. I don’t see that as any kind of abuse of power.

                  I think I’ve said about as much as I want to say about this situation at this point.

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                    Yes, we clearly do.

                    I don’t see that as any kind of abuse of power.

                    As an individual action and for majority of users, I would agree with you. But given how FlyingSquid behaved after being asked not to over-report comments and then proceeded to say how they’re not going to report anymore, they don’t feel safe or welcome in c/news, and views it as hostile. Their treatment of the user in the post I linked just comes across as being very abusive. If FlyingSquid viewed what Blackbeard so badly, what does that say about about their treatment of users in the communities they mod when they approach with much more hostility?

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      Yeah i cant believe the people defending them in this thread. I guess anyone can build up a little following of devoted supporters regardless of how childish and argumentative they behave. Really makes you think. Flying Squid does not come out of this looking good in any way.

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        Why not? flyingsquid simply wanted clarification on how to discern what something is misinformation and what ain’t.

        Blackbeard seems to not cut it as a mod.

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          Blackbeard was actually an excellent mod. I’m not picking sides on this fight, as it was resolved 2 months ago.

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            Oh lol I failed to miss the dates. OP really tried to dig up dirt for whatever reasons.

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          Lmao he was literally sea-lioning. Misinformation is also not something that needs to be clarified beyond blackbeards first statement which is “someones opinion that you disagree with, that is clearly just an opinion, is not misinformation”. I think the person trying to silence dissenting opinions and then acting like a child when they get called out for it is the one who doesn’t cut it as a mod, actually.

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            yet the other mod (next to blackbeard) said it was fine what FlyingSqud was doing. So how to effing trust in this matter?

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          Asking another mod to mind how they report things should not have been met with this kind of hostility. It was a very simple ask.

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            But in what capacity should someone mind how to report things? Blackbeard failed to clarify, this escalation was on them.

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              Misinformation applies to statements of fact not opinion. This was the first thing said. Asking for further ‘clarification’ was done in bad faith and was just an attempt to obfuscate the issue and seem ‘reasonable’. Its a tactic most intelligent adults can recognize and wont put up with, like when a child tries to pretend they dont know how to do their chores and just need you to show them ‘one more time’. And then goes ‘fine since i obviously cant do it right i just wont do it at all’

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              The first message had Blackbeard clarify the difference between opinion and misinformation. It’s pretty straightforward.

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                I agree with FlyingSquid here. That opinion that borders defamation, equating political runner with several people and even Hitler, is absolute report worthy.

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                  Defamation is not against the rules and sounds like quite a bit of a stretch. No one on Lemmy is capable of defaming anyone even remotely that famous. It’s clearly an example of frivolous reporting.

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                    Sure defamation is not against server rules. But it’s against the law of atlesst in USA and my home country which makes it very much against server rules.

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      Patently false and wholly unsupported, too? Tell me you’ve had irrational run-ins with said mod that somehow refused to react how you wanted, you know without saying it word for word, right?