There’s been basically no change in the posting about Palestine since the election, but these people (including this two month old account) have a narrative in their head and won’t let reality intervene.
I think there’s another narrative that just assumes Trump will be significantly different from what Kamala would have been.
What can Trump do that Biden/Kamala haven’t already? Much is being made about Trump sitting by while Netanyahu annexes large chunks of the West Bank. But that’s already been happening.
There has been much made about Trump potentially allowing Israel to annex parts of Gaza. But Biden has sat back and let Israel completely ethnically cleanse northern Gaza. If Biden/Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop an ethnic cleansing, what makes you think they would do anything when Israel files some paperwork to formally annex land? Hundreds of thousands of people area dead. I’m sorry, but compared to that, a little paperwork to formally take territory is a minor crime indeed.
War with Iran? Israel doesn’t want a war with Iran. They’ve been playing a careful tit-for-tat game with Tehran, trying to save face while avoiding an all-out war. And there’s little evidence Trump would get the US involved if a full war did start.
I mean really, what exactly do you expect Trump to do that Biden/Harris already haven’t? They’ve given Israel a complete blank check. I think we tend to just assume because he’s overtly racist against Muslims that he is going to be worse for the Palestinians. Yes, Biden and Harris aren’t overtly racist against the Muslims. But in terms of their actual actions, I can’t think of anything Trump can do that they already haven’t.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
If Biden set any form of red line, or at least Blinken wasn’t bluntly lying everytime he goes there or the US didn’t Veto UN resolutions to “allow aid” maybe we can argue the dem would be better but as stand nothing will change.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
First of all, it will be far more than 2 million people.
But also, yes! Fucking yes, of course it is worse! What?!? Are you fucking joking??
Holy shit people are delusional. You don’t get to just say “well, we can’t know if a Democrat would be different,” and absolve yourself from your responsibility in this. When will be the point where you realize (yet I’m sure continue to refuse to admit in an attempt to preserve your own sanity perhaps)? Will it be when they annex the West Bank (like immediately after 1/20, they’re already talking about it)? Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins?
You will live with the results of your actions (or inaction). There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
Will it be when they annex the West Bank
Read history and check some UN document, illegal building of housing for Israeli has been going on for decades supported by Tax money from western countries. They literary conduct raid, steal farm land, abduct and prison youth for the last few decade! They are not waiting for Trump to do that!
Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins
Are you high ? Famine + 70% women and children of estimated 200,000 people have been going on for a year, do you think this is not a high gear? the continues supply of weapons suggest they are running out of bomb. “70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.”
The problem you are seeing is that, bomb are not enough to kill people, they have to go there on foot or use food to starve them and that is exactly what is happening now, with Democrat in office.
There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
Kamala made it clear she is doing nothing different and ( better or worse ) is not a statement here because there are no (better) when it come to genocide.
I don’t think Biden and Harris are the same person. I think she was cowardly but I also think she wants to be hip and loved and could have been shamed with sustained pressure. Not a sure thing, and likely to be weak sauce, but a possibility. I don’t see that as likely with either Biden or Trump. And the possibility of stopping something as big as genocide and permanent land grabs is much better than no chance at all.
But I also don’t blame Arabs for voting (or not voting) emotionally for the actions of Biden and the inaction of Harris now. Don’t kill someone’s family and then ask them to think of the bigger picture.
There is zero chance Palestinian supporters ever outbid Israel to corrupt Trump. Even the rich Arab autocrats don’t really care about the conflict if it would result in them being less rich. Israel loses Trump if and only if they insult him in some way.
Two month old account? Get your reddit ass back to that garbage fire, I’ve been on the fediverse since the first reddit wave.
The “narrative” is that Trump is wholly owned by Bibi, as that fucker has helped him every election, and will let him do whatever he wants. Helping that fucker get elected l, as you did by not voting for Harris will only hasten the genocide in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon.
And no, there hasnt been the posts about protesting Trump’s worryingly close relationship to Bibi to anywhere near the degree that you were all so “worried” about Harris.
I voted for Harris. But pretending anyone with criticism of a genocide is some Russian stooge or at best an anti-Democrat dupe is part of the whole narrative that keeps you from engaging with moral ideas in a complex and serious manner. Posts about Israeli crimes have not stopped, criticism of Joe Biden’s policies have not stopped (because he’s still president and is still ignoring his own red lines on the war crimes), and as soon as Trump is the one doing the deed it will switch to him. To liberals convinced issues only exist for supporting or opposing Democrats, it’s all just a made up controversy, but it’s about the genocide, stupid.
But speaking of that, the election’s over, Harris lost and Biden can’t run again, are you ready to call politicians who passively (and sometimes actively) support a genocide being committed with US funded weaponry bad people yet? I thought this aversion to criticizing Democrats was just supposed to be a political strategy, but somehow still “the genocide” is only a criticism that seems to be applied to American actors in a future sense.
Thank you for confirming I’m not in some sort of hallucination. It’s literally the first sentence. Truly a demonstration of their internal narrative being undeterred by reality.
It’s because your challenge as to if they’ll call them bad people now that the election over is some seriously painful cognitive dissonance that they can only resolve by anger at a position you don’t hold.
Surprising no one they all vanished back into nothing.
Like the “swift boat veterans for truth”
Lmao fuck off with that. We’re still here.
There’s been basically no change in the posting about Palestine since the election, but these people (including this two month old account) have a narrative in their head and won’t let reality intervene.
I think there’s another narrative that just assumes Trump will be significantly different from what Kamala would have been.
What can Trump do that Biden/Kamala haven’t already? Much is being made about Trump sitting by while Netanyahu annexes large chunks of the West Bank. But that’s already been happening.
There has been much made about Trump potentially allowing Israel to annex parts of Gaza. But Biden has sat back and let Israel completely ethnically cleanse northern Gaza. If Biden/Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop an ethnic cleansing, what makes you think they would do anything when Israel files some paperwork to formally annex land? Hundreds of thousands of people area dead. I’m sorry, but compared to that, a little paperwork to formally take territory is a minor crime indeed.
War with Iran? Israel doesn’t want a war with Iran. They’ve been playing a careful tit-for-tat game with Tehran, trying to save face while avoiding an all-out war. And there’s little evidence Trump would get the US involved if a full war did start.
I mean really, what exactly do you expect Trump to do that Biden/Harris already haven’t? They’ve given Israel a complete blank check. I think we tend to just assume because he’s overtly racist against Muslims that he is going to be worse for the Palestinians. Yes, Biden and Harris aren’t overtly racist against the Muslims. But in terms of their actual actions, I can’t think of anything Trump can do that they already haven’t.
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Removed for civility, if you had dodged the ad hominem at the end you are 100% correct.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
If Biden set any form of red line, or at least Blinken wasn’t bluntly lying everytime he goes there or the US didn’t Veto UN resolutions to “allow aid” maybe we can argue the dem would be better but as stand nothing will change.
First of all, it will be far more than 2 million people.
But also, yes! Fucking yes, of course it is worse! What?!? Are you fucking joking??
Holy shit people are delusional. You don’t get to just say “well, we can’t know if a Democrat would be different,” and absolve yourself from your responsibility in this. When will be the point where you realize (yet I’m sure continue to refuse to admit in an attempt to preserve your own sanity perhaps)? Will it be when they annex the West Bank (like immediately after 1/20, they’re already talking about it)? Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins?
You will live with the results of your actions (or inaction). There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
Spot the person who is not watching news!
Are you high ? Famine + 70% women and children of estimated 200,000 people have been going on for a year, do you think this is not a high gear? the continues supply of weapons suggest they are running out of bomb. “70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.”
The problem you are seeing is that, bomb are not enough to kill people, they have to go there on foot or use food to starve them and that is exactly what is happening now, with Democrat in office.
Kamala made it clear she is doing nothing different and ( better or worse ) is not a statement here because there are no (better) when it come to genocide.
I don’t think Biden and Harris are the same person. I think she was cowardly but I also think she wants to be hip and loved and could have been shamed with sustained pressure. Not a sure thing, and likely to be weak sauce, but a possibility. I don’t see that as likely with either Biden or Trump. And the possibility of stopping something as big as genocide and permanent land grabs is much better than no chance at all.
But I also don’t blame Arabs for voting (or not voting) emotionally for the actions of Biden and the inaction of Harris now. Don’t kill someone’s family and then ask them to think of the bigger picture.
One sure thing about that shitstain Trump is that he is bribable. He will pivot on a pinhead if it would enrich him more.
There is zero chance Palestinian supporters ever outbid Israel to corrupt Trump. Even the rich Arab autocrats don’t really care about the conflict if it would result in them being less rich. Israel loses Trump if and only if they insult him in some way.
Two month old account? Get your reddit ass back to that garbage fire, I’ve been on the fediverse since the first reddit wave.
The “narrative” is that Trump is wholly owned by Bibi, as that fucker has helped him every election, and will let him do whatever he wants. Helping that fucker get elected l, as you did by not voting for Harris will only hasten the genocide in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon.
And no, there hasnt been the posts about protesting Trump’s worryingly close relationship to Bibi to anywhere near the degree that you were all so “worried” about Harris.
I voted for Harris. But pretending anyone with criticism of a genocide is some Russian stooge or at best an anti-Democrat dupe is part of the whole narrative that keeps you from engaging with moral ideas in a complex and serious manner. Posts about Israeli crimes have not stopped, criticism of Joe Biden’s policies have not stopped (because he’s still president and is still ignoring his own red lines on the war crimes), and as soon as Trump is the one doing the deed it will switch to him. To liberals convinced issues only exist for supporting or opposing Democrats, it’s all just a made up controversy, but it’s about the genocide, stupid.
But speaking of that, the election’s over, Harris lost and Biden can’t run again, are you ready to call politicians who passively (and sometimes actively) support a genocide being committed with US funded weaponry bad people yet? I thought this aversion to criticizing Democrats was just supposed to be a political strategy, but somehow still “the genocide” is only a criticism that seems to be applied to American actors in a future sense.
If you held your vote back as a protest vote, you voted for a modern day Hitler. Congrats.
I thought Zaktor wrote “I voted for Harris” how’s that “held back eir vote”?
Thank you for confirming I’m not in some sort of hallucination. It’s literally the first sentence. Truly a demonstration of their internal narrative being undeterred by reality.
It’s because your challenge as to if they’ll call them bad people now that the election over is some seriously painful cognitive dissonance that they can only resolve by anger at a position you don’t hold.
I explained in a sentence why they were wrong, I wasnt directly insulting them.
Ok, maybe they didn’t vanish entirely.