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I wish evs were just as reliable and repairable as gasoline/diesel cars are on average.
Are they not as reliable?
Well, the range part of the equation isn’t. A fuel tank doesn’t get smaller over time, and you can replace one fairly easily. Batteries die over time, and can’t be replaced easily.
Doesn’t fuel efficiency go down, though? I’d say that’s roughly equivalent to the battery losing effectiveness. And generally requires fixing or outright replacing key components to get back to par.
Not to 80% in a few years
True, the scale isn’t quite the same, but the technology is also much newer. You’d agree that fuel efficiency, much like battery efficiency, does go down, though?
To a certain extent yes. Cams get worn down, coils make less spark, that sort of thing.
But as you said, the scale is way different. It’s the difference between a million miles and a hundred thousand. And at a million miles, even the chassis itself starts to become a maintenance item.
They aren’t that hard, just no one wants to actually do it. Harder than a fuel tank and requires actual training, for sure, but it isn’t that hard for a trained person. I’ve seen reports of batteries actually doing fairly well, although I suspect that’s brand dependant, the Nissan leaf got a pretty bad rep for being hot trash. Literally, I think the issue was a passive cooled battery just degrading it at absurd rates.
You drain it, unbolt 2 straps, pull the pump, and then put the pump in the new tank, and replace the tank. You might even get lucky and not have to undo any fuel hoses.
With skateboard designs, like all Teslas, you have to remove the entire interior.
I’ll buy an electric car when
A) it won’t spy on me and
B) I won’t have to sign away my soul and first born to whatever car company I’m buying from
I hate to break it to you, but nowadays neither of those are exclusive to electric cars. Just sounds like you might never be buying a new car again.
It’s still easy to disconnect the cellular antenna if you’re fine with losing features like self driving and map updates.
This. Shit doesn’t magically communicate with the company that made it. If they don’t want their data used, don’t connect it to wifi and disconnect the cellular antenna and pull the sim card 🤷♂️
Buy one from China, The only people spying on you then will have a miniscule impact on you, ever.
Chinese car companies sell their data to anyone who will pay. Including American companies who then resell your data… and so on. There are no protections and all your data is it out there
Do you have a source for this or are you just making it up?
I do. It’s called embedded telematics. Here’s the first Google result for it:
“Just like a smartphone, a vehicle that is equipped with embedded telematics has a cellular modem built into it right from the factory. This embedded telematics modem allows the car to connect to the cellular network and communicate with other internet-connected devices such as mobile phones.”
But be very careful about information on disabling or modifying these things, most cars after 2018 will straight up no longer work if you disable them.
Unverifiable stuff, don’t trust: I’ve seen the data first hand and worked with companies that provide services to “de-anonimize” the data produced through various systems to provide targetable consumer lists.
It’d take exactly zero effort to find your cars driving activity and when you (your cell phone) were in the car. And anyone with money can get it.
Is it “legal” probably not? Do corporations care? Absolutely not. Legal costs are nothing compared to be value this shit provides
This doesn’t say anything about selling the data to anyone who will pay.
All the car companies have mobile apps now, and the car needs some way to communicate with the app…
lol, I wouldn’t bet on that. They wouldn’t be spying on you if they didn’t think they had something to gain. Just learn where the attenna or comm unit is and pull the wire/fuse. Check online for any electrical engineers who already disabled theirs.
I’m sorry. Do you think that gas cars don’t spy on you. Literally every car manufactured since 2000 has its own GSM/CMDA radio that is constantly connected and sending telemetry data to private corporations contracted by car manufacturers.
Those companies are constantly having security breaches too. Constantly
At least some companies let you use the data too (eg https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bmw_connected_drive/). Mainly European companies.
I agree with your terms, and would add one more:
C) when they don’t all weigh 6000+ lbs
They include climates in the study but only hot climates and temperate climates. Temperate climates perform the best of course, but that’s expected given the narrower temperature ranges.
I would like to see studies for cold climates. Here in Canada we have freezing temperatures for about half the year and sweltering temperatures for a quarter. The shoulder seasons bring lots of rain and temperature fluctuations. This mix of always changing temperatures and humidity (along with all the salt used to de-ice roads) is absolute havoc for ICE cars. It tends to rust them out a decades before the engines give out.
On the other hand, freezing temperatures are brutal on batteries (I know this from how my phone responds to the cold). I do know that a freezing cold battery needs a ton of extra energy to heat up before it can even begin charging. Having an EV in Canada without an indoor parking space for it is not a great experience.
I just got back from Quebec and vas surprised to see a ton of electric cars- like California levels of full electric cars on the road. I have to assume that most of them have made it through the winter alright, otherwise we’d be hearing about it. They do test these things in very cold climates before they sell them.
Quebec has the highest percentage of ev as new car sales of all the provinces… Electricity there costs on average around 0.09CAD/kWh… It’s surprising there isn’t more, and that in big part due to cost (Quebec is rather poor), the climate, and distances (Quebec is HUGE, if it included Labrador it would be a bigger landmass than Alaska).
Nope. My car had not mechanical defects at all but cost $23k to repair when the battery failed.
Your battery wasn’t still under its 10 year / 100000 mile warranty?
Some people keep their cars for a long time.
