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as someone who sees both .world and hexbear users in this thread its kinda funny seeing how stark a difference the reaction to the meme is
why don’t I see .world users in this thread?
Because they are cowards
They preemptively defederated us before we federated the rest of Lemmy.
As a last resort, mind you.
we tried nothing and we’re al out of ideas
I made the mistake of checking out the thread from Lemmy itself instead of Hexbear.
I need a stiff drink now
The Lib-th Sense
They said the quiet part out loud 💀
They keep forgetting which part is the quiet one.
They shift the Overton window to change what the quiet part is
The founding of America was a little rough but it’s amazing that they got as progressive as they did. Seeing as republicans nowadays support removing those fundamental rights that some old men laid out hundreds of years ago.
Edit: guys guys calm down. Yes, I know about the slavery stuff. I’m just talking about the amendment, stuff like the first amendment about free speech. States like Florida immediately come to mind because they’re trying to erase and change history.
The American political system was built to manage the contradiction of having 30% of the southern population being black slaves. It was designed to have a “democracy” where it would take 400 years from black people arriving as slaves to still being mass incarcerated and killed in random violence today.
You can’t accomplish that without having some veneer of democracy and fairness otherwise it would have been overthrown in a slave revolt in 1850 instead of being kept alive by false hope in the civil war.
got as progressive as they did.
Yeah the indigenous people of this land would like to have a word.
They mean we got progressively less indigenous as we killed so so many of them.
Republicans: all migrants have to go home!
Indigenous: so when are you leaving?
I’m not going to pretend that not having borders is a solution to the problem, but I’m not going to pull the ladder up from the people looking for a better life, because that’s exactly what my ancestors did, and the first batch of Europeans weren’t exactly welcomed either.
the first batch of Europeans weren’t exactly welcomed either
Yeah, no shit? Genocidal colonialists weren’t welcomed?
When you put it that way, oh look it’s projection again. We can’t let these foreigners in because they’ll just murder us all… because that’s exactly what our ancestors did when they came here.
It really is projection, there’s a saying that racists are afraid of being treated the same way that racists treat their victims
the first batch of Europeans weren’t exactly welcomed either.
Is that so? Don’t you Americans even have a holiday celebrating that the natives gave you food and stuff?
Americans have a holiday called Labor Day where service workers still have to work. I wouldn’t read much into it.
What I meant is that it’s an important historical event that the first settlers were welcomed. Not that this says anything about respect towards modern day first nations.
Much of what is taught about that historical event didn’t really happen, or was conflated together. No real evidence to suggest it’s proof of the settlers being welcomed any more than tolerance of a technologically superior group of people.
Many of our founding fathers were progressive. But the ones with the most power were just rich assholes. If I remember correctly, George Washington stopped Philadelphia or the state of PA from trying to abolish slavery. Many also wanted to aboliah slavery in 1776, and… that didn’t end up taking place.
lol
No, no, no. You just don’t understand the founding fathers right. They never wanted to give people fundamental rights, they wanted to make a proud patriotic America! /S.
(Why does my sarcasm feel less and less sarcastic these days?)
The founding of America was a little rough but it’s amazing that they got as progressive as they did.
Counterpoint: Name a single year in the US’ history where it was safe to be black.
1618?
There was a brief moment where Europe was colonizing the Americas but hadn’t yet started up the slave trade and ensuing racial caste system, so yeah it was probably fine to be black in the Caribbean in like 1500 (or at least no worse than being a typical poor white person shipping off to the colonies at that point).
Guessing they recieved a flood of
in responseThink about Lincoln’s Gettysburg address for a minute.
…conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal…
Which is a big fat lie. True only if you were a white male landowner.
If the union has not been founded on slavery then there wouldn’t even have been a civil war to win/lose.
The founding fathers as a group were quite happy with slavery, racism, and sexism.
That’s what the USA was founded on, that is the legacy it maintains today.
Massive crowd hooting and hollering
Socialist activist gives a fiery speech
Prager U hired chudface runs up, steals the mic
Shouts this, verbatim
…
Entire crowd of commies starts cheering, applauding, fist pumping in the air
and then an eagle named “small government” landed on the flagpole and shed a tear
People who call America an iredeemable, racist shithole are just as stupid as those calling it perfect and the greatest country on earth.
The truth is always somewhere in between, and if you deal in absolutes, you’re either 5 years old, or just a massive moron.
Are you an enlightened centrist? I basically feel that this country is barely redeemable. The working class people, yeah we are all family. I’ll get along with anyone who doesn’t literally want me dead for my beliefs. But activists and protests keep pushing the buttons of the system, and it just… it’s barely moving. Even a little bit of power has people extremely resistant to auditing and reform.
I am anti bad thing therefore everything I am against is bad, and if you criticize me you are bad too.
