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We should make our rich and powerful worried about communism again.
Guillotine time!
Can you solve the equation?
Homelessness becomes illegal + For-profit prison system that’s allowed by law to force prisoners to work + increasing cost of rent + lower relative price of labor =
spoiler
Situation of dog eats dog, increasingly pauperized labor market where the poorest layer of the population gets enslaved, and the second poorest, and the third poorest, and the n-th poorest all will also fall one by one, because guess what? Free workers now have to compete in wages with prisoners.
That’s the plan, fascism, everyone but the elite works the camps
They’re gonna learn the hard way there’s no such thing as free work when the
workersslaves burn their factorys down.“karma will deal with it”
No, do something.
I hate karma dealers. I like action planners.
I can make all kinds of plans that don’t matter because nobody wants to do the work and deal with the fallout.
Find some mural aid groups.They desperately need positive leadership lately.
Independent action through culture is dramatically better than leadership IMO.
Yeah that’s cool too. Herding
catsanarchists in mural aid is more fun thou.
That’s a refreshing thought, and I hope you’re right.
If your labor is forced because you’re incarcerated, you’re absolutely justified in damaging your slavers any way you can. I’m not talking about work programs, unless they are “work programs” that you can be punished for not taking.
Next up- making all prison labor protections optional.
There are prison labour protections?
In theory, yes.
What prison labor protections would those be?
OSHA and other safety stuff…
What the actual fuck.
No it doesn’t work like that.
Sleeping outside while homeless I am sure isn’t a deliberate choice. Homeless people aren’t magic. They can’t conjure a building to sleep in from thin air. Making it illegal doesn’t give tgem magic building making powers or like teleportation or whatever these delusional idiots think it does.
It doesn’t give them magic building powers, but it fills up for-profit prisons!
Poverty is illegal. We are all poor.
So whats the punishment a fine? Prison time where u use tax payer money to give them a bed and food?
The purpose is to push people into the for-profit prison system, which rakes in billions in slave labor.
Can you please provide a source for this
Nope, personal opinion. It makes sense to me that for-profit prison systems would lobby to make homelessness a crime, to gather more workers, and to get more money from the government. I don’t have a source that says “Yes, this is the reason why.” but you can follow the money and make your own opinions from there.
Thank you (sincerely) for going half-way. I did not know that prisons make money.
Of course, I don’t see why you’re getting downvoted so hard. I think that asking people to back things up with sources should be standard practice.
In this case, I don’t have concrete proof, but I let you know that it’s an opinion influenced by certain facts, like private prisons generating profits and them using lobbists to further their interests.
Some people, however, make wild claims or assumptions that they’re pushing as pure facts, but can’t produce any kind of verifiable source.
Some people are saying they don’t want to do your homework for you, and just to google it. To be fair, that’s all I did to get those links. But their thinking is backwards. The one who makes the claim has the burden of proof, not everyone else.
If someone makes a claim, but can’t support it at all, it can be disregarded. But if someone makes a claim, and provides proof, and someone else is able to provide proof contrary to that point, now we have a debate. More proof and evidence will be required to see who is correct.
Otherwise we end up with people just firing off unverified claims, backed up with ad hominem and defended with strawmen and slippery slopes.
So keep asking people for proof and sources, more people need to be checked on their shit.
a) go get your own sources I just met you I’m not taking homework assignments from you
b) the primary argument is philosophical anyway; it should be illegal for a wider society to profit off of incarcerated people. They can be made to care for their own space, grow their own food, sew their own clothes, whatever, but the moment you allow them to make license plates for the rest of us, grow food for the rest of us, or clean up after the rest of us, that’s slavery, it’s wrong, and it doesn’t belong in a free country.
And no, I have no further interest in continuing to argue with someone who the most they can coherently manage to contribute is “source plz” especially when there has been a huge body of media made already on the United States Prison-Industrial complex to the point that Netflix made it into a fucking soap opera. Go look it up on duckduckgo it would’ve taken you less time and effort than making this comment.
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re absolutely right. The only valid argument against your comment is that you’re being a bit of an ass, but even that doesn’t make you wrong. If a person can’t handle a tiny bit of assholery, then they shouldn’t be on the internet.
I’ve no patience for sealioning. Also the incarcerated have been one of my all-time favorite patient populations to work with. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of pedos and other unsavory types, but there’s also a lot of just relatively normal decent people who just got steamrolled by the society we live in, and a lot of it does come down to housing like in the OP article. Their creativity also continually inspires me (even when they’re mostly getting up to no good, but if you can’t at least step back and appreciate the ingenuity of some of this shit you’d never cope otherwise). I had to stop working with that population even though I love them so much because I couldn’t stand watching them get abused. That broke me.
I didn’t know what sealioning is, so I looked it up on urban dictionary.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sealioning
A subtle form of trolling involving “bad-faith” questions. You disingenuously frame your conversation as a sincere request to be enlightened, placing the burden of educating you entirely on the other party. If your bait is successful, the other party may engage, painstakingly laying out their logic and evidence in the false hope of helping someone learn. In fact you are attempting to harass or waste the time of the other party, and have no intention of truly entertaining their point of view. Instead, you react to each piece of information by misinterpreting it or requesting further clarification, ad nauseum. The name “sea-lioning” comes from a Wondermark comic strip.
I think the term is silly and there should be a better one for this concept, but lacking a better one I guess this will do. I’m sharing my learning so that others may learn from my experience.
also, now I fucking hate sealions, and I’m not happy about it. They used to be fucking cute.
The term comes from a webcomic, I doubt real sea lions act like this.
I’m asking for a source that prisons rake on billions, you assholes. I did not know that, and thought that prisons were a net loss.
go get your own sources I just met you I’m not taking homework assignments from you
It’s the responsibility of the person who makes a claim to substantiate it.
I wasn’t the one asking for a source. [email protected] was. But just for the record, a search engine isn’t a source. These clips would’ve been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjqaNQ018zU
Maybe if I asked for a source rudely, people would have taken my request legitimately instead of assuming “sealioning”. Can’t win, never mind being polite.
In the city where I grew up in Canada, it was illegal to sleep on the streets. The punishment was a single night in a holding cell with no record.
This way, on cold nights, police would forcibly give people a warm meal and a place to sleep - there was a real danger of those folks freezing. The system worked most of the time, but if course, it really inconvenienced the purple who just want to be left alone.
Why not just fund high quality shelters
It’s not cruel enough to provide sufficient fear to the lower classes.
There were shelters throughout the city, but many chose not to go or marry have been in the wrong part of town. This way, police could forcibly take you away from the dangerous cold even against your wishes.
It was a problem with a particular homeless family that lived under a bridge, they fought to stay in their camp and it created a big discussion surrounding the issue
But we all know that in America, that’s sadly not gonna happen.
Does happen
It’s really sad that a man, a born citizen, may not have the right to sleep on the literal fucking ground when he has nowhere else to go. These rich people decide he’s a criminal.
Lack of sleep can lead to psychosis and other mental issues. Preventing people from sleeping in some manner is just inviting unintentional consequences. More muggings, stabbings, rapes, looting or something else?
People being homeless is a failure of society, not an individual.
Preventing people from sleeping in some manner is just inviting unintentional consequences.
I don’t think the consequences are unintentional. Torturing a homeless person by continuously harassing them for trying to get sleep, then recording them lashing out at a city worker or police officer after they’ve snapped, produces a set of video content that can be spread across the internet and used as kindling to turn the housed public against the homeless.
In the same way Project Veritas existed to harass and extort voting rights activists and health care centers, these laws and the associated anti-homeless activist base are going to be used to justify mass round-ups, imprisonments, and police executions of homeless people.
This is real actual fascism in practice.
People being homeless is a failure of society, not an individual.
“If You Born Poor,It is not your mistake, but if you die poor,it is your mistake”
― Bill Gates Sr., Showing Up for Life: Thoughts on the Gifts of a Lifetime
Should be noted that Gates Jr was born into a family of millionaires, with a mother who sat on the First Interstate Bank of Washington’s Board of Directors and a father who was a founding member of the law firm PGE. If you want to talk about individuals who might be responsible for homelessness, these two are a good place to start. They’ve been “philanthropists” for most of their adult lives and commanded billions of dollars in charitable donations. But the their tenure in these non-profits and committees have yielded rising poverty, declining standards of living, and enormous new personal debts.
The folks who have horded the lion’s share of the national wealth firmly believe that they aren’t responsible for the consequential inequity and bankruptcy that their greed has produced.
I think the lack of empathy and compassion for homeless people comes from the puritanical roots of America where failure in some aspect of life was related to moral or character failure.
So again, it’s important to point out that the fact some people fall through the cracks means there are deficiencies in the social fabric which disallow optimal self determination for all individuals in that society. No one dreams of growing up to be a homeless person as a child.
America is the one country in the world which has the resources to pull off market socialism correctly. But many progressive ideals are off the table because of rich or billionaire class.
We should stop hating each other and just hate on the rich for robbing us of a healthy and well functioning society
The court has gone rogue.
All recent stupid SC stuff is because of 6-3 votes. These old fucks are seated for life.
Alter their lifespan.
“When tyranny becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” — Thomas Jefferson
When the government oversteps its authority and becomes tyrannical, then the governed have a responsibility to overthrow that government to reestablish the rights of the people to be free and only be governed by consent.
Cities banning homeless people from sleeping outside while failing to give them any alternative is bad, but I think the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment is a poor protection against that. This is the sort of thing we need actual laws passed to deal with.
But it is actually cruel to create a system that deprives people of sleep, which is something they need, and sleep deprivation has been used as a form of torture.
Let’s criminalize being a cop.
Let’s legalize guillotines. Someone call France.
Can I sext France instead?
Oui oui
Heya France, I’m gonna need you to surrender for a few minutes.
I mean, 99% of voters pick capitalists every single time, and then clutch their pearls when capitalist things happen.
On the plus side, it’s still possible to do good things on the local level. (For now.)
