• pandapoo@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Unions should always back the due process rights of their members…

    Of all the things to shit on Police Unions for, this one actually requires a conviction to be valid.

    Until then, it is every union’s moral and ethic obligation to support their members as they go through the legal process.

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      4 months ago

      Unions should always back the due process rights of their members…

      That’s not what’s being talked about and you know it.

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      4 months ago

      Unions are supposed to protect the powerless.

      From my perspective, the police union wouldn’t be especially different from a corporate executives’ union.

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      4 months ago

      If all unions were equal, then sure. But many are corrupted or are run by corrupt people.

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        4 months ago

        I wouldn’t say many of them are corrupt, I don’t think that’s fair. I think it’s anti-union propaganda that’s been spread

        Some are though… And if you were to pick one example head and shoulders above all others, the police union definitely comes to mind

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            4 months ago

            What would that data look like? It’s not exactly a metric you can nail down

            “Unions are corrupt” was definitely a message intentionally spread, I can definitely find you some examples of corporations spreading that, but that’s not really data either

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              I guess I was wondering if there had been studies on the effectiveness of unions and looking at how many, if not negligible, have had reported cases of corruption and / or fraud.

              Like I say I do believe unions do more good for workers than bad, but I also do believe that any organisation that gets to a certain size is inevitably going to be corrupt as the people that are going to be corrupt will do what is necessary to rise to the top.