For all your boycotting needs. I’m sure there’s some mods caught in lemmy.ml’s top 10 that are perfectly upstanding and reasonable people, my condolences for the cross-fire.

  1. [email protected] and [email protected]. Or of course communities that rule.
  2. [email protected]
  3. [email protected]. Quite small, plenty of more specific ones available. Also linux is inescapable on lemmy anyway :)
  4. [email protected]
  5. [email protected]
  6. [email protected] and maybe [email protected], lemmy.one itself seems to be up in the air. [email protected] says [email protected]. They really seem to be hiding even from another, those tinfoil hats :)
  7. [email protected]
  8. Seems like [email protected] and [email protected], various smaller comic-specifc communities as well as [email protected]
  9. [email protected]
  10. [email protected]

(Out of the loop? Here’s a thread on lemmy.ml mods and their questionable behaviour)

  • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Please dont use lemmy.world alternatives. World is a much bigger problem in terms of centralization.

    • archchan@lemmy.mlEnglish
      01·
      1 year ago

      I don’t care how big .world gets because it’s the same thing with mastodon.social or pixelfed.social. Coming from primarily centralized services, people will always be looking for a “main” instance because that’s what their brains are used to and that’s what will help adoption. The ones who care will use another instance. As long as fedi has the users and not the proprietary alternatives, it’s fine. We can manage.

      • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        You’re partially right, but it would be better if users were evenly spread on many instances.

        Imagine if one instance becomes so big and then they de-federate. For normal users, nothing would change, but then we would have created the new R*ddit

      • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        Clearly the American point of view is neutral, the default, and the truth, so it doesn’t count as propaganda.

        • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          It’s not even about which view is right or neutral. On .world posts and comments critical of the US aren’t mass censored like .ml does with posts critical of China, Russia or the former USSR.

          • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
            01·
            1 year ago

            That’s true to some extent. I don’t agree with hard censorship like that, but there is also the risk of getting astroturfed and brigaded like reddit, which had a clear example as far back as 2013 where Eglin Air Force Base, FL showed up as “most addicted city”. The goal of censorship is to give your own opinions more space, so I’m not exactly upset if other instances are moderated in a different way when there are plenty of other instances moderated in a different way. The fediverse offers plenty of space.

          • Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            I had to do a double take because this sentiment is prevalent throughout lemmy.world and other instances.

  • AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    OpenMW’s official Lemmy community has been on lemmy.ml since 2021, way before lemmy.world existed (and most other instances, too), and way before there was any inter-instance drama. It’s becoming increasingly likely that it’s not going to be a suitable long-term home, but we’d be much happier if we could migrate the existing community rather than start from scratch with a new one. Is there any way to do that yet?

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      IMO organizations should self-host their official communities. If you’re going to move, it ought to be to something like [email protected].

      In addition to the obvious benefits of having admin control/being able to avoid moderation drama imposed by others, it also means you could have more than one community: maybe !openmw for general discussion, plus !modding, !development, etc.

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      I had a look at your community, do you want to save post and comments?

      If not, the easiest way is to announce on the current community where you are going to move, then lock it, so that people indeed move to the new one.

      I did it from [email protected] to [email protected], it worked quite well.

    • jelloeater@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      We love to be the home of smaller communities, but for sure, any larger ones should look into running on their own setup. If you need help, drop us a line!

      • AnyOldName3@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        [email protected] has less than 150 subscribers, so it’s definitely not large. We’re already swamped with infrastructure work for the stuff we already self-host, so I don’t think we’ll be running our own Lemmy instance any time soon.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    We getting one of these a day now?

    If you don’t like it, petition your admins (via posts on your own instance) to defed.

    If they don’t want to, find a new instance that does, or stay and block their instance so you don’t see their subs.

    If you want to build up alternatives, post and comment so they’re more active.

    I just don’t see the point of these posts when most Lemmy users have been around for a while and know what lemmy.ml is like by now.

    Be the change you want to see, post in those communities yourself instead of these daily announcements threads on an instance that’s already defederating apparently

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Lemm.ee will not defederate over tankie mods, there’s a specific policy. As to the change I want to see: Guess what I did just before I posted the list, go through all my subscription and clean it of lemmy.ml.

      I very much doubt there’s going to be one a day, these kinds of things tend to ebb and flow. Also it would’ve been much faster to ignore this thread than to reply.

  • corymbia@reddthat.comEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    “Asklemmy.ml” just asked about if anyone had been at any important event televised events.

    Mmmm. Guess what.

    I mentioned Tiananmen Square 1989: INSTA-BAN!!!

    It would be funny if it wasn’t such a horrible thing.

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      You can migrate your subscriptions in the settings (import / export as a JSON file, easier to do on a computer).

      You would lose your comments and posts history, but you can refer to the old account on your new account so that people curious would know it’s you. Also, if you keep the same name and avatar, most of the people wouldn’t notice.

  • Oka@lemmy.mlEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    The views of .ml mods have not affected me. I don’t really check my subscription feed, only /all or /top->day, therefor im still exposed to all those other communities.

    The only instances that I’ve noticed are missing are porn related, and as an asexual, I don’t have an interest in them. If I did, I could just visit a different site, like pornhub or w/e

    Not all .ml users are tankies, or communist, or foss enthusiasts. I’m just a guy who likes memes and tech

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      It affects people who think that Lemmy.ml is the default instance, as it says itself and people say that any instance is fine to join.

      It also affects people in the batshit insane comments that come from people on that instance, like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, that occur with noticeably higher frequency than from other places.

      It also affects people on that instance who talk as if into a void with many people blocking their instance but they don’t even know that. And that effect will increase over time.

      It lowers traffic on the Fediverse, decreasing overall engagement, and drives people away from it altogether. It also lowers the likelihood that you can recommend to people irl to check out the Fediverse - when THAT stuff (e.g. defense of genocide) is seen it tends to turn people off who aren’t used to it or who are tech or culture savvy enough to know how to handle it.

      So it does affect you, I promise, even if not directly, and over the next few months will do so increasingly as your instance turns into more of an echo chamber than it has been in the past, as more people block it either individually or at an instance level.

      Agreed that many of the users are regular people who are just innocently getting swept up in all of this due to the actions of the admins. Just like users of Reddit were when spez did his power flex moves.

      You might want to at least make an alt somewhere else so that you get some experiences that your .ml account increasingly will start to lack.

      • Oka@lemmy.mlEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I hear you. When I first joined .ml, they were pressing for people NOT to join it. To create their own instances so that .ml didn’t become a central entity, and get overwhelmed with users. The latter did occur during the reddit exodus.

        I also agree that they can curate and manipulate the instance to their ideals, which will limit casual users and their reach.

        I don’t feel like I’m being secluded, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. I have seen hate for .ml users and hexbear users, and I really don’t get it. The fediverse shouldn’t be segregating users based on what instance they’re in. That’s like saying all US citizens are awful because they live there.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          I don’t feel like I’m being secluded

          You probably aren’t… yet, but you will become thus, increasingly over time.

          For the past half a year I have defended lemmy.ml, saying that its users are nowhere near as bad as hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml (just… visit them, you’ll see fairly quickly what they are all about). And that much is still true - the users are quite often innocent.

          Though not 100% so, and now this with the admins, I will block lemmy.ml soon. I have already started blocking some of its communities, like all the politically-themed memes were simply not fun to keep appearing in my feed, unlike the many other meme communities scattered throughout the fediverse. I am missing out on basically nothing but contention, which has noticeably improved my experience of the Fediverse.

          Yes, I am throwing out some babies along with the bathwater, but I am okay with that. The point is to foster a sense of enjoyment and peace, rather than constantly argue with people who are not engaging in good faith to begin with. I left Reddit for good reason, and believe it or not I would have left it regardless of all of spez’s bullshit.

          Imagine my dismay when coming to the Fediverse, I make the mistake of ONE comment in chapotraphouse, and I got like a hundred replies of the most batshit insane, derogatory, bad-mannered and bad-faithed “arguments”, which lasted for WEEKS long after I stopped responding. I was being “dunked on”, which they LOVE, and which - apparently, much to my dismay upon finding out - is the literal purpose of that community. I almost left the entire Fediverse after that.

          Well, it did not help that I made the same mistake upon replying to a comment in some political community on lemmygrad.ml. It was those two events together that almost made me leave. However, fortunately for me Lemmy v0.19.3 came out just as I was mulling that issue over, so I blocked those two instances, and now I am as happy as a clam. Honestly this issue with Lemmy.ml is nowhere near as bad as those two instances. But it’s still not great, it still impacts people - e.g. it will impact you far more than me - and it will hurt all of us if we cannot recommend to irl people to come to the Fediverse, b/c they are likely to see that stuff and be put off by it. And therefore all the content that they may have offered for our consumption is gone along with it.

          An analogy might be: how much fecal matter is okay to appear in your food? We can spend a large amount of time curating our own experiences here to avoid that, but how likely is a non-Linux-using average person who might want to leave Reddit and come here to be even willing to do that, before they can start enjoying their interactions here? That “shit” demeans us all.

          That’s like saying all US citizens are awful because they live there.

          I suggest a different analogy instead. Crime in the USA in general has gone down substantially in recent decades, but let’s say that you wanted to walk the streets of NYC in the 80s-early 90s. It’s not “just b/c they are there”, but rather “crime is MUCH more likely to occur there, than other places”. If you choose to go there, you are making a probabilistic bet that you will survive the encounter. Maybe you will… or maybe your child will become Batman after you get brutally murdered in front of him, but either way, past some threshold it becomes a foolish bet to have chanced it, in return for what gain even?

          You and I do not get to decide upon the preferences of others. Many will leave Lemmy altogether, rather than put up with this stuff. I at least will block Lemmy.ml, but that leaves the newest and least aware and therefore most vulnerable people to still have to deal with it. In the meantime, we are conversing about it, letting people know about the problems that we all face, together.

          • Oka@lemmy.mlEnglish
            0·
            1 year ago

            I have noticed the high level of political memes and threads and don’t care for it. I didn’t understand why they were so common, I thought we were all trying to get away from politics.

            I will try a different instance and report back.

            • diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              01·
              1 year ago

              I thought we were all trying to get away from politics.

              First of all, why would you think that? Second of all, everything is political so that is literally impossible. And third of all, only centrists who want things to stay exactly as they are, because they feel they are are benefiting from the status quo, ever say such things.

  • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyzEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml’s administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It’s about transparency; and I think that this wall of text that I wrote about how lemmy dot ml handled ani.social shows it well, as the dispute in question was not political in nature. (I can abridge it at request.)

    With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”. I don’t have anything against LW’s administration, but I think that it’s foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation. That instance is already 40% of the MAUs, and hosts the largest comms using Lemmy.

    • barsoap@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to “use lemmy.world instead”.

      It’s where big replacement communities happen to be, that’s all there is to it. Avoiding centralisation is a good thing in general but “tired of .ml mods? Here’s alternatives” isn’t the right time to go for it I think. Maybe the admins can come up with a scheme to round-robin disable community creation or something, to spread things out. Also, community migration is in the pipeline software-wise that would help a lot.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      01·
      1 year ago

      .world liberals are on a propaganda crusade to close off their Zionist echo chambers.

      • TheFonz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        “Yo ho ho evEryBody I don’t agree with is a Zionist yo ho ho”

        Kony 2012, amirite Linkerbaan?

    • suction@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I mean it’s obviously run by Russia so anything that makes people realise you can’t trust anything that comes out of it is good.

      • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        “Here you see one of the prime examples of a lemmy.world liberal turned xenophobe. Swallowing up the hate towards current enemy of the USA and projecting it onto everything they don’t like”

        Like I don’t think the .ml admins are remotely in the right, but politically illiterate libs seeing ghosts everywhere is funny af
        (or at least it would be if they didn’t generalize everything evil in this world on Russians or Chinese and dominate one of the largest Lemmy instances)

        - Yours truly, an actually Russian person with a migration background <3

    • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s good to have regular outreach. I just subscribed to the linux community from this one.

      The other post also has me considering moving my account to a different instance. There were some compelling arguments against centralizing on lemmy.world. (I don’t strongly disagree with the moderation here but I do somewhat disagree with centralizing admin power like on reddit.)

      I wouldn’t mind seeing these regularly. But maybe it would be nice to have someone make specific accounts for that purpose so you can easily block them out of your feed.