claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”

Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.

Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.

claim 2: “but genocide joe”

Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands

But trump has promised to be indisputably worse.

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.

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    Not voting and abstaining from voting, while similar, are not the same thing.

    Watching football and ignoring politics is not voting.

    Rejecting both genocidal fascist candidates and abstaining is different.

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      Not voting means you don’t care and are okay with whomever wins. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions and compromise for the best possible outcomes. It’s way easier to virtue signal and not actually do anything though.

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        No, in this specific case, its that I don’t support genocide or fascism.

        If you are cool supporting genocide and fascism, you are a horrible person, but I cant stop you.

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          So what you’re saying is it doesn’t matter to you whether it’s a little genocide or a lot of genocide, either is equally acceptable to you?

          It’s funny, all you purity testers, once someone crosses your “I refuse to support” line, then everything beyond that is equally bad to you. I think you guys have a fundamental inability to understand scale.

          It’s a classic trolley problem. Throw the lever, one person dies. Don’t throw the lever, ten people die. You’d rather have 9 extra people die so you can pretend your conscience is clean.

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            “A little genocide” is fine as long as it’s your guy doing it.

            Because it’s all about picking your flavor of fascism and getting that dub.

            Jesus you people are disgusting.

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                You boot licking fascist.

                You are not forced to contribute to the ethos of a genocide.

                What is not clear about that?

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                  By not voting you are contributing to the ethos of a worse genocide. What’s not clear about that?

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                    No.

                    I’m not.

                    I am devaluing the ethos of both fascist movements.

                    Stop “following orders” and licking fascist boots.

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          You really are a child aren’t you. Everyone who doesn’t agree with you supports genocide. News flash is going to happen no matter what you do. All we can try to the people responsible over time. And it’s not just biden. It’s the entire Democratic and Republican establishment. And you got to start replacing the bottom up not top down. Maybe someday when you grow up you’ll be useful and actually help someone.

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            Everyone who votes for a man committing genocide does support genocide. Yes.

            You are getting a little senile and all that Red Scare programming is really flaring up, huh?

            Stop licking boots because “it’s the only option.”

            It’s not.

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              Grow up he’s not committing genocide. He’s enabling it yes. But for the love of God grow up.

              Kiddo I literally am the red. And I love to love to scare them.

              You are literally the only one here to mention licking boots. I’m not here to kink shame. If that’s your thing more power to you. Just stop accusing others of it. We’re trying to actually make a difference unlike you.

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      see my edit to my comment. i understand the difference between those terms and am not equivocating. kindly stop implying im a liar now that i have provided evidence.

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        user openly campaigning for voter abstention.

        … which isn’t simply not voting. It’s refusing to vote for fascist tyrants and genocide and challenging the system to do better.

        What isn’t clear about that?