• This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.worldOP
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      7 months ago

      Yes, yes US-Israel relations are solely because of Joe Biden. Not like there’s history between those two countries that goes back decades or anything.

      You are very intelligent.

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        7 months ago

        I didn’t say that. At all. I don’t like Joe’s handling of the crisis, but I’m not a Biden hater. I’m a keep Trump out of office at any fucking cost voter.

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          I think a fair few of these people don’t see the very fine line that Biden is stuck walking. He really doesn’t want to see that lobby money head to Trump’s campaign. And the people pissed at Biden not doing more for the people in Gaza seem to ignore that the alternative is Trump, who will likely just not care.

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            There’s also a significant contingent of pro-Israel Democrats whose votes he needs. He’s walking a tightrope walk. I don’t know that he’s doing it well either, unfortunately.

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              7 months ago

              He has been a very enthusiastic supporter of Israel for a long time. He believes in zionist colonialism.

              Not that he doesn’t have to consider voters whatsoever, just saying that he’s certainly not reluctant to support Israel out of any ideological disagreement with Zionism.

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                I’m not really talking about his personal feelings on the matter, which aren’t really as relevant right now as what he thinks will get him re-elected. So far, he seems to think lip service toward the Palestinian cause plus the maritime-based food distribution while militarily supporting Israel is enough for people supporting Palestine to support him and not going too far to upset the pro-Israel people. Like I said, I don’t think he’s doing the balancing act well.

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            7 months ago

            If, say, people had a different candidate to vote for … like Bernie Sanders … then no one would have to bring up the concessions Biden is making to the center-right wingnut crowd … because (1) there wouldn’t be any, and (2) every voter in America would be engaged.

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              If, say, Hillary had let someone younger than 30 run her campaign and we didn’t have such a problem with people not understanding what we got because they voted third party, we wouldn’t have had Trump and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

              Remember that Hillary won the popular vote. The electoral college needs to go away. We also need to do our best to educate people on how to work with what we have and simultaneously work towards making things better while also not letting perfect be the enemy of good.

              I would bet a years earnings that some of these people would starve if left on a deserted island with a lifetime supply of their most hated food.