• Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    What will really happen is moderates will claim the candidate catered to the left so much that it turned off moderates (or pick a group, didnt cater enough to suburban Hispanics or whatever), and the Left will say the candidate didn’t cater to the left enough, and in 2028 that won’t be resolved and the person who wins the most votes will win again entirely unrelated to the question.

    But, thats what always happens anyways in every election, regardless if Trump is running or not.

    So you’re not sending the message you think you’re sending, you’re just hurting the candidate whose interests are the closest to yours. Allowed, but not what I’d recommend as a political strategy.

    I guarantee you, when they go back to do a postmortem post-election, and see a whole voting block not showing up, that’ll definitely send a message.

    They’re actually already seeing it today, or do you not wonder why Biden keeps trying to pay off student loans every way he has available to him.

    Its the party’s responsibility to offer candidates that people can vote for, and not demand people to vote for the party so the other party does not win. Coercing a vote out of someone is not the American thing to do.

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      2 years ago

      But, thats what always happens anyways in every election, regardless if Trump is running or not.

      Right, my point is that you aren’t “teaching moderate Democrats a lesson” by helping Trump. You’re just helping Trump.

      I guarantee you, when they go back to do a postmortem post-election, and see a whole voting block not showing up, that’ll definitely send a message.

      No post mortem has ever decided the candidate needed to be further from the center to gain more votes. I don’t see why you think it would happen now. There are more people in the middle, and winning over a vote from Trump is worth twice as much as moving a non-voting Leftist to vote. Those are the tradeoffs of campaigning.

      They’re actually already seeing it today, or do you not wonder why Biden keeps trying to pay off student loans every way he has available to him.

      Magnificent. Biden is doing something you like, this is somehow evidence of why you shouldn’t vote for him.

      Biden does some left wing stuff too, yes. He’s not trying to alienate left wing people, he is doing electorally popular things, and he has to get Republicans on board for any law he wants to pass. This forces moderation. If you are demanding Medicare For All or you won’t vote for him, you just aren’t living in reality.

      Its the party’s responsibility to offer candidates that people can vote for, and not demand people to vote for the party so the other party does not win. Coercing a vote out of someone is not the American thing to do.

      To be clear, the party isn’t saying this, I am. Biden is trying to be popular to the widest swath of people possible, to beat Trump. If you’re saying you’re going to vote against him to send a message nobody is going to listen to, I think you’re making a mistake and helping the guy you hate, way more than you are doing any good.

      The way to send an inter-party message is in the primaries. Get your person (or a person significantly closer to you ideologically) to be the candidate and make everyone else choose between them or the guy they hate. If Bernie was the candidate I’d be telling moderates to vote for him just like this.