So I just discovered that I have been working next to the waste of oxygen that raped my best friend several years ago. I work in a manufacturing environment and I know that you can’t fire someone just for being a sex offender unless it directly interferes with work duties (in the US). But despite it being a primarily male workforce he does work with several women who have no idea what he is. He literally followed a woman home, broke into her house, and raped her. Him working here puts every female employee at risk. How is that not an unsafe working environment? How is it at even legal to employ him anywhere where he will have contact with women?

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    A better one.

    See, in the real world where adults pay bills, your actions have consequences. Those actions tend to be for everyone else and are extremely damaging if you rape them, so what sane societies do is prioritize the interests of the victims and the community at large over the rapist. They imprison or preferably execute the rapist, to guarantee they cannot hurt members of the community anymore without forcing the community to bear the burden of the rapist’s presence, for their mere presence is now a problem.

    Communities do not owe anything to rapists and are under no responsibility to integrate people like that into it. The act of doing that endangers a community because now they have to live alongside a rapist.

    Communities have a large moral obligation to establish a Moral Event Horizon and accept that individuals who do horrific things like rape don’t belong in it anymore regardless of circumstance. The community has to be willing to discriminate who can participate or not based on actions. That’s what a community does to maintain itself.

    A community unwilling to do this is an unprincipled one that usually just thinks rape is morally acceptable or at least necessary to reproduce. A community unwilling to permanently remove a rapist for any reason is just, quite frankly, an evil one.

    Rapists don’t have a permanent right to participate in the community. The idea that they do has destroyed our society. You have to earn the privilege to participate through following the laws and good action, and if you refuse, you can no longer participate in the community.

    Communities have an obligation to establish rules abd enforce then through threat of losing the ability to participate.

    It’s not hard when you don’t enable rapists.

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      Let’s say we agree on your governance model. There are non-trivial cases of men falsely been accused of rape by women. Some have even been convicted and their innocence proved many years later. How does your governance model that proposes execution of the convicted account for this?

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        It doesn’t.

        They have a simplistic worldview. That makes them feel good or safe that allows no room for the messiness or complexity of the real world.

        The prevalence of simple minded ideas like theirs is why authoritarian minded demagogues like Putin, Trump, Duterte, are as popular as they are.

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        It literally doesn’t matter because this isn’t a discussion of the death penalty. This is an individual asking about a serious situation at work you deliberately ran off the rails to push a political agenda. Take your anti-justice garbage and shut it.

        Oh, and by the way, OP’s friend being expected to work alongside their rapist functionally is worth than death.

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          They imprison or preferably execute the rapist, to guarantee they cannot hurt members of the community anymore

          It does matter because you brought it up, this is what you said, word for word. Do you hope your proposed legal framework to be implemented at any point in time and therefore willing to give it some serious thought or are you just venting?

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            It doesn’t matter because the only reason I even replied was because I didn’t realize you were purposefully derailing the thread to push an agenda, and using OP and his serious, personal situation to do it.

            You and your goons have said, all over the thread, the most vile, disgusting, anti-woman shit, because the truth is you condone rape and don’t want to see other males suffer for it. It didn’t occur to you that you could suffer such a thing and have no recourse. You clearly dismiss the extreme moral crime of expecting a victim’s friend and potential victims to suffer under circumstances like that – of course, everyone else in that place can just go find another job, right? Rapists have the right to work wherever they want but not good, normal people. The world revolves around you and your ilk, after all.

            You’re quite simply a rape apologist. There’s no way around it. And so are the mods of this sub apparently.

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              You parrot the same thing over and over again without answering any of questions directed to you. I was asking about innocent people, not rapists. You want to execute rapists, sure fine. What about the wrongly convicted? You haven’t even spared sentence for them amongst all your ramblings. If you are serious about seeing what you’re preaching implemented, the wrongly convicted has to be addressed. If you are not going to accept that your ramblings are just that. Ramblings.

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                You parrot the same meaningless talking points every single thread that is both popular and a clear cut case to hold someone accountable for something.

                You ramble about insane bullshit that has nothing to do with OP because you are here on some rape apologia anti-justice agenda.

                You are angry at me trying to get something out of me when you don’t even have to.

                Why? Because the mods are just as sexist and in support of rape apologia as you are. They’ve been deleting every comment at the top of the thread that uses the terms “rape apologia” or “rape apologist” while leaving up stuff that should also be banned under civility rules but supports their side. You could just go talk to a mod and have me banned, like you always do whenever I tell you you’re doing something wrong. So why be upset I won’t play your horrific game?

                Go cry to them about how rapists don’t deserve to suffer consequences for their actions. Go cry to them how everyone else has to bear the burden and the threat of their presence because you think a rapist’s right to rape is more important than the human rights of other people. Go cry to them: they’ll agree with you. They’ve already shown they have.

                Go. Go repeat your talking points to them. Go now. On your bike.