At this point I’m not providing links principle, and frankly the number of people who are unable to distinguish fact from opinion or draw rational inferences from credible evidence makes me want to vomit.
The claims made public by Israeli intelligence and reviewed by the publications I cited are that 12 people were involved first hand and provided material support, with their actions being described with specifics and apparently supported by cell phone data and data recovered from computers and social media accounts. It’s delusional to think that Israel faked the evidence, publicized the accusations, deceived the US and a chunk of its allies to immediately pull funding. Did they trick the Secretary of State Anthony Blinken into saying the evidence was “highly credible”? Did they trick Chris Smith, Congressman from New Jersey, who was briefed as a member of Foreign Affairs, the former chair of the committee, who said the evidence against UNRWA was “irrefutable” and part of a longstanding history?
It’s the largest employer in Gaza. Nothing about some of its employees being friendly to Hamas or providing material support in carrying out a terrorist attack, should surprise anyone at all. There is no credible dispute that the 12 accused were involved. The UNRWA itself doesn’t even dispute that the 12 were involved as alleged, like, what does that tell you? And, this isn’t even the first time this has happened.
The intelligence wasn’t shared publicly to support two other claims made by IDF: that 10% of UNRWA members directly support Hamas and nearly half have close family and friends who are in Hamas. In any event, right after Israeli intelligence came to the US and presented at closed briefings, Blinken and Smith moved their respective branches of government to formally pull funding, and they did, along with a multinational coalition of partners.
My opinion is that the reports are very likely true. My factual evidence in support are the arguments I’ve made here and elsewhere in this thread. That’s how it works. I did support my position with facts.
The fact that I haven’t footnoted my post with pin cites and through cites doesn’t actually mean anything I’ve said isn’t true, nor do I have an obligation to provide such links, as there is no rational dispute as to the facts as I’ve laid them out right here.
Like if I’m talking about tides or seasons or something, do I need to reply with links to a flat earther who says “derrpp citation needed”? No, because it’s already not a rational thing to say. If someone has followed this story at all, they know where I got the facts I’ve stated.
nor do I have an obligation to provide such links,
I have no obligation to believe you, and no obligation to waste my time searching for something you insist is true.
You could allegedly easily post a link that backs up your assertions, but haven’t. Which means you’re either lazy or lying. And a lazy person wouldn’t have written multiple paragraphs of haughty obstinacy. So until I get a link, I’m confident that you’re lying.
Well, I can state an opinion without evidence. Mine is based on your comments above. What you’re claiming doesn’t fall under the category of an opinion.
And “I refuse to do even basic research needed in order to have a valid opinion” is the last resort of people with lots of confidence in their own feelings.
Still want to double down on that “irrefutable evidence”? Because it seems pretty refutable to me.
Here’s a relevant story before you claim once again that everyone who disagrees with you hasn’t done any research. I know I’m not your dad or anything, but I’m willing to make this selfless offer for your benefit.
Edit: just noticed this source was already provided at the very start of this thread. In other words, your entire argument was bullshit from the jump. Good to know.
You can’t just respond to “citation needed” with an ad hominem, my dude.
He can’t defend his position, so he falls back to ol’reliable.
Literally go and Google it. This thread is filled with abject know nothing’s at the peak of Mount Stupid.
You made the claim. You’re expending more effort on insults than it would take to back up your claim if you weren’t lying.
I don’t know what you think I’m lying about. The WSJ, NYT, CBS, all had coverage and all said the same thing.
So you should have no difficulty at all providing a link.
But you would rather just sling abuse.
At this point I’m not providing links principle, and frankly the number of people who are unable to distinguish fact from opinion or draw rational inferences from credible evidence makes me want to vomit.
The claims made public by Israeli intelligence and reviewed by the publications I cited are that 12 people were involved first hand and provided material support, with their actions being described with specifics and apparently supported by cell phone data and data recovered from computers and social media accounts. It’s delusional to think that Israel faked the evidence, publicized the accusations, deceived the US and a chunk of its allies to immediately pull funding. Did they trick the Secretary of State Anthony Blinken into saying the evidence was “highly credible”? Did they trick Chris Smith, Congressman from New Jersey, who was briefed as a member of Foreign Affairs, the former chair of the committee, who said the evidence against UNRWA was “irrefutable” and part of a longstanding history?
It’s the largest employer in Gaza. Nothing about some of its employees being friendly to Hamas or providing material support in carrying out a terrorist attack, should surprise anyone at all. There is no credible dispute that the 12 accused were involved. The UNRWA itself doesn’t even dispute that the 12 were involved as alleged, like, what does that tell you? And, this isn’t even the first time this has happened.
The intelligence wasn’t shared publicly to support two other claims made by IDF: that 10% of UNRWA members directly support Hamas and nearly half have close family and friends who are in Hamas. In any event, right after Israeli intelligence came to the US and presented at closed briefings, Blinken and Smith moved their respective branches of government to formally pull funding, and they did, along with a multinational coalition of partners.
My opinion is that the reports are very likely true. My factual evidence in support are the arguments I’ve made here and elsewhere in this thread. That’s how it works. I did support my position with facts.
The fact that I haven’t footnoted my post with pin cites and through cites doesn’t actually mean anything I’ve said isn’t true, nor do I have an obligation to provide such links, as there is no rational dispute as to the facts as I’ve laid them out right here.
Like if I’m talking about tides or seasons or something, do I need to reply with links to a flat earther who says “derrpp citation needed”? No, because it’s already not a rational thing to say. If someone has followed this story at all, they know where I got the facts I’ve stated.
I have no obligation to believe you, and no obligation to waste my time searching for something you insist is true.
You could allegedly easily post a link that backs up your assertions, but haven’t. Which means you’re either lazy or lying. And a lazy person wouldn’t have written multiple paragraphs of haughty obstinacy. So until I get a link, I’m confident that you’re lying.
It’s not ad hominem. I’m not dude’s dad or teacher. He can take four seconds and Google it.
Yeah, you’re just someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about well enough to back it up.
Now who’s making claims without evidence?
Well, I can state an opinion without evidence. Mine is based on your comments above. What you’re claiming doesn’t fall under the category of an opinion.
That’s right they are not opinions. And you could verify them easily.
Although it was 12 people, not thirteen, and only 9 of them were fired, as two were dead. Not sure of the twelfth.
“Just google it bro” is the last resort of people with no confidence in their statements.
And “I refuse to do even basic research needed in order to have a valid opinion” is the last resort of people with lots of confidence in their own feelings.
Still want to double down on that “irrefutable evidence”? Because it seems pretty refutable to me.
Here’s a relevant story before you claim once again that everyone who disagrees with you hasn’t done any research. I know I’m not your dad or anything, but I’m willing to make this selfless offer for your benefit.
Edit: just noticed this source was already provided at the very start of this thread. In other words, your entire argument was bullshit from the jump. Good to know.
I’ve never in my life seen someone argue so hard that people should be making decisions without evidence.
I mean, who argues for less evidence? Only the insensere I would imagine.
but the only person responsible for supporting your claims is YOU
You are the evidence big dawg, we can all see and evaluate it for ourselves. The claim was about you, you’re not invisible.
it is