What I find depressing is that most of the Arab world thinks so, but the majority of people from Gaza don’t.
Arab world: https://i.imgflip.com/41f829.jpg
It clearly shows that Arabs don’t care about fellow Palestinians suffering, and the only thing that matters is that they fucked up lives of some Jews.
Arabs aren’t one people. They’re many different tribes. They’ve been fighting as long as the historical record. So them not caring about the Palestinians is not surprising but obvious.
Muslims murdering the fuck out of each other has been the norm for as long a I’ve been alive. I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that there is camaraderie here.
the majority of people from Gaza don’t.
Last poll I saw shows the majority of Gazans approve of Oct 7:
57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514Has public opinion in Gaza shifted since then?
All arabs remember Jordan September 1970 so nobody trusts the Palestinians one bit and rather prefer they die against the Israeli than their own citizens. They got expelled to Lebanon after Jordan and sparked civil war there for decades and then finally getting expelled in 1991.
So if you wonder why the neighbouring Arab countries don’t care. There’s your answer.
Yeah I’m curious how much help all these Arab countries were sending to the Palestinians.
I thought Arab countries were the only ones sending aid to Palestinians - ignoring the US which of course is playing both sides
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Nobody hates Palestinians more than other Arabs. This was never about them, it was always about hate for Israel.
I dunno, maybe the people genociding them hate them more.
No, arabs bad.
Usually, yeah.
Made me laugh. Thanks
What a clown!
We see through your tribal bullshit. Y’all hate each other more than my aunts, but you hate Jews more. When people like you say Israelis need to leave the middle east, we know which Israelis you mean. Certainly not the Arabs living in Israel.
Stop spreading misinformation.
Recall that it was the US who had to twist Egypt’s arm into accepting refugees. Black September was a thing, and it resulted in several Arab countries refusing to take Palestinian refugees.
It’s important that we discuss this. Hamas and other extremist groups take advantage of the kindness that is offered to Palestinians, and they cause civil wars and assassinations. If I remember right, they murdered the king of Jordan.
The Muslim extremists are a problem for everyone, and they make life much harder for Palestinians.
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It’s unfortunate that we can’t just lock up all the extremists into one room and let them solve the problem for us.
It’s important that we discuss this. Hamas and other extremist groups take advantage of the kindness that is offered to Palestinians, and they cause civil wars and assassinations. If I remember right, they murdered the king of Jordan.
Yeah I won’t deny that these things are all pretty messed up, but the claim that Arabs hate Palestinians is just wrong, at least from what I’ve seen as an Egyptian. Also I don’t see how Hamas, which was founded in the mid-80s in a completely different political climate, has anything to do with this. The PLO, which isn’t even Islamist, is the one who did these things.
Generalities are rarely true, I should’ve specified. I agree that the statement “Arabs hate Palestinians” is more wrong than it is right. And there are certainly differences between the PLO and Hamas and other militant groups.
It would be more correct to say that violent militants are using the Palestinians’ plight to take advantage of the kindness of Arab neighbors and then try to take over their societies. And naturally, that has made neighboring countries reticent to take in refugees.
What is wrong however is seeing a terrorist attack against Israeli civilians as legitimate resistance when they themselves will not take in Palestinian refugees.
What is wrong however is seeing a terrorist attack against Israeli civilians as legitimate resistance when they themselves will not take in Palestinian refugees.
Unfortunately many Arab people do consider all Jewish Israeli civilians as active participants in Israel’s crimes, but that’s a whole different story. The serious argument that October 7th was legitimate resistance relies on the fact that it was against military targets, with no evidence the leadership ordered anything close to slaughter of civilians. Add in that even after the IDF shelled and shot their own citizens the civilian casualty rate was 66% and the idea that Hamas just passed the border and randomly murdered civilians falls apart pretty quickly. Of course not denying the atrocities that actually happened, but October 7th as a whole was legitimate resistance with an army that’s prone to committing war crimes, not a terror attack with the goal of murdering civilians. This distinction is important because “atrocities were committed on October 7th” and “October 7th was a terror attack” aren’t equivalent statements.
I might not be up to date on the latest understanding of the days events. Do you know a good source where I could go read up on it?
There’s no one source that’ll cover everything, but since most of us have a general idea of what Hamas did (and that’s mostly what you’ll get if you look up October 7th) here’s a few examples/evidence of the IDF killing their citizens on October 7th.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/759856/Israel-s-IDF-ordered-to-prevent-Hamas-from-returning-to-Gaza
(contains the Hebrew article and a translation in the comments).
Handy for Israel to get to exterminate them within their own borders and everyone else is to blame because they won’t take them as refugees. Both those things are bad, but one is at least a bit worse.
The blood feud just makes me feel… tired. And sad for the whole region.
I’m really exhausted from all the crises happening across the planet on a daily basis. Its become as average as Tuesday. It’s desensitizing.
I would love to duck my head in the sand, but that won’t make things any better.
How the fuck did you even interview them? The governments of many Arab countries in this survey would kidnap and jail you indefinitely without trail if you support Palestine in public or on social media, and many other cave in to what they are expected to say. It’s garbage in garbage out
I’m surprised it is this low.
Edit: the comments are hell. But what else to except from propagandized westerners that never cared to know from Arabs.
I wish our leaders had a sense of shame or honour, instead many of them are collaborators.
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Not to be pedantic but I’d to clarify one aspect that not many people know.
He was right, except for one. At least from the perspective of those Muslim Arab leaders:
Our God is not theirs.
Islam is an Abrahamic religion, regarded by the Muslim as a continuation of the Abrahamic religions before it. So the muslim regard themselves as having the same god as the Jews and the Christians. Thus, the prophets of the Jewish religion (and even the prophets of the Christianity, Jesus) are also regarded as prophets in Islam. Many of them are mentioned in Quran in good faith. The main difference is the jewish doesn’t recognize Muhammad as their prophet while the Muslim regards Muhammad as the last prophet in addition to those before him.
To me, the crazy thing is that 33% of the Arab world doesn’t think it was legitimate resistance.
The October 7th attack was clearly terrorism. But to have such a big percentage of the Arab world seem to agree with that, even in such an insanely one-sided situation as the ongoing occupation of Gaza, means:
A lot of people want peace.
Everyone wants peace for themselves and their allies. What’s important is how many people want peace for the other guy too.
Well, but what I’m saying is that (edit:
calling it terrorism) saying it wasn’t legitimate is kind of wanting peace for the other guy too.I’d be surprised if 33% of Americans or Israelis thought that the invasion of Gaza was illegitimate. Maybe they would though, I honestly don’t know.
It’s all terrorism, all the way down. Israel throws a volley, then Hamas throws a volley, and so on. It’s depressing.
Palestinians want to live peace with each other. Israelis are the ones that want to go full Nazi and exterminate all Palestinians because they believe they are the Ubermensch.
The west bank being terrorized by ZioNazis is all the proof one needs.
I think it is interesting how many people think there will ever be peace while Hamas is in charge, or that Hamas will ever let someone else be in charge.
Nobody in power ever “lets” someone else have it instead.
On the first part, I agree; both Likud and Hamas are hell-bent on this outcome. If only the one of them would stop giving the other money to keep them both going.
Yes tell us what we want. تهريج 🤡
Why on earth do we accept J Post articles here? It’s literally Israeli propaganda.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arab-center-research-policy-studies-174700630.html
Happy? Or do you have a narrative to spin about this one, too?
I’ll remember that next time I see an al Jazeera post
resistance? Its intention was to open the doors for Israel and so it did.
What do you mean? The fascist islamist terrorists of Hamas wanted Israel to retaliate? For what reason? I think you give them too much credit, they just took an opportunity to kill as many as they could.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The al-Aqsa Mosque has been a source of tension as it is located above the Temple Mount, a holy site for both Jews and Christians.
While non-Muslims now have permission to attend their holy site via the Moors Gate, they are forbidden from praying there which has created increased tension.
Palestinians, before October 7, had been permitted to enter Israel with proper documentation for work, medical treatments or for other reasons.
When asked about the responses of regional and international powers to the war, 94% said they considered the United States position negatively, with 82% clarifying they thought it was bad.
The same trend continued for other Western countries with 79%, 78%, and 75% of respondents viewed the positions of France, the UK, and Germany negatively.
In a different survey response, 81% said that they did not believe the US was serious about establishing a Palestinian state and 77% of respondents named the US and Israel as the biggest threat to the security and stability of the region.
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@roastedDeflator @world I can only find it in Arabic. dohainstitute.org/ar/Lists/ACR…
@roastedDeflator @world My Arabic is not up to translating the whole thing, but some headline figures from my quick skim.
59% of Arabs are following the news about Gaza daily
54% following it mainly by satellite TV, 36% by social media
84% feeling psychological pressure because of the war
67% think the Hamas attack on 7/10/2023 was a legitimate resistance operation
67% think Hamas is totally unlike ISIS
69% stand in solidarity with Gaza and Hamas
According to Israel bombing hospitals and refugee camps is legitimate defense. They clearly deserve each other.
Imagine thinking millions of people “deserve” to be used as pawns and cannon fodder by their own governments as well as the international “community”… 🤢
It’s pretty well established that Hamas used those places, making them valid military targets. If you want to be pissed at anyone over them being hit, be pissed at Hamas.
No. No it’s not. At all. Israel went back on the hospital tunnel claims because they couldn’t fabricate enough “evidence”. Many, many other strikes are exactly the same. They bomb and kill dozens on the hunch there is one militant. That’s a war crime no matter what side you are on, unless you are on the side of genocide and death.
That’s really not true based on the publicly available information I’ve seen.
Citation? My understanding is that when there was skepticism regarding whether the tunnels connected to the hospital, the IDF released 360° video footage of them walking around in it to address it. I’ve seen stashes of weapons thrown behind MRI machines, there’s been accounts from patients that Hamas members were in the hospital, there’s footage of Hamas taking hostages into the hospitals, RPGs being fired from in front of them and then the soldiers run into the hospitals, and I’m pretty sure they have a confession from hospital management. I believe there’s even more evidence, but that’s all that I’m remembering at the moment.
Yeah sorry we killed you in hospital bro but we think some like, really bad guys were there. So really if you think about it, it’s all their fault.
Yeah sorry we blew up the school bro but we we think some like, really bad guys were there. So really if you think about it, it’s all their fault.
Yeah sorry we blew up the refugee camp bro but…
On and on and on for like 100 days now as the majority of Gaza has been flattened and 22k+ people have died, mostly innocents. Nobody believes you. This. Shit. Doesn’t. Work. Try arguing something else for God’s sake.
I have no idea about the hospitals and refugee camps. I just know 20,000 Palestinians have died, mostly women and children, and including dozens of journalists and aid workers.
If Israel wants to avoid civilian casualties, they should pass the message along to the Israeli army.
The border towns had armed security and IDF soldiers lived within them. Does that make them legitimate targets as well?
You’re conflating security guards with IDF forces inappropriately. You might have a point given that the IDF is a citizen army, however, many of the people slaughtered that day were not even Israeli. Hamas never bothered to check who was and was not a soldier. They just fired blindly at civilian vehicles driving by, raped and massacred an EDM festival.
The IDF uses military bases instead for that sort of thing. These were civilians, many of whom championed pro-Palestinian causes.
If you haven’t seen it, I encourage you to watch October 7th footage, the IDF has it uncensored on their YouTube channel, after watching it my sympathy for Palestine evaporated.
Whoever agree with the “legitimate resistance” legitimates everything in this website:
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I don’t think you want to play the game of who can show who did worse things.
It is Israel, 100%.
Israel has killed 20 times that number and leveled whole families and neighborhoods slaughtering tons of innocent children.
Considering how the Arab world at large never agreed with the terms of Israel’s conquest, this makes sense.
Pretty sure jews around the world never agree with the war that was brought to them the moment country was formed.
There is a good saying that Palestinians are like a rag for the rest of the Arab world: when they need to clean their shoes with it, they use it and are happy that they have it and then they throw it away and forget about it.
Unfortunately, this is not the case only with Arabs…
A: raping and brutally killing is legitimate for what you do to us!
B: launching rockets on your civilian buildings is legitimate for what you do to us!
and goes on and on…
Edit: downvoted because I just triggered both parties
