• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    If grandpa’s still voting R, he’s voting for the fascists of the 21st century.

    If you want to know what you would’ve done living in Germany in the 1930’s…

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      In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists, people did not turn to facism because they were born evil. That is to say, if you were german and lived through the effects of the end of ww1, you would be facist too

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        In 1930s germany most people would vote for the facists …

        This is a common misconception. Even at the height of their power, the Nazis got only 43% of the votes. They were able to win elections because the other parties were unable to come together and run a joint candidate list. If the Social Democrats and Communists had formed a coalition, they might have won instead.

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          The Italian Liberals of the 20s adopted a “wait and see” approach, leaving the outnumbered socialists, anarchists and communists to fight both the fascists and the loyalists alone. Then when it was clear that the fascists were winning, the Liberals joined them.

          I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn’t join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat. Centrists tend to be, whether center-right like the Italian Liberals or center-left like the German Social Democrats.

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            I suspect that the 30s Social Democrats of Germany were similarly irresolute (though didn’t join before they were forced to) when dealing with the Nazi threat.

            The social democrats started the iron front, they fought the SA in the streets, they didn’t join them. Their party was banned and members where thrown in jail once the Nazis won.

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        So what’s the excuse for the people who had what is probably the cushiest life in all of human history?

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        Yes, boomer humor tends to be unfunny when you consider the real fact that the US is one year away from having open genocide of minorities and other “undesirables.”

        Having to live armed every day because fascist shitbags are openly trying to kill you tends to suck the fun out of parties.

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    “In case they want round three, so we can waltz in years late and claim victory, then spend decades destabilising the planet for profit oooooeeeeeee”

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      This kind of “America did nothing in WW2” rhetoric is almost as r-word’ed as “America soloed WW2.” You’re an idiot if you think America was “years late” and didn’t play a huge role in the European front. Not even to address the Pacific Theatre.

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        Even prior to direct military entry, the US was providing mass amounts of aid to fight the Axis. We were giving the UK destroyers, arms, and ammunition immediately after the Nazi invasion of Poland, gave billions to China to help fight the Japanese invasion, and started arming the Soviet Union under the Lend-Lease as soon as Germany invaded them.

        We also deployed to Iceland to take over the Brits’ post there so they could free up troops to the mainland.

        Even ignoring the European front, which is stupid, the US was instrumental in the African front and neutralizing Italy.

        But nah, the US kicking ass and stacking bodies on 3 different fronts wasn’t important to winning the war. Nope.

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          Likewise (related to aid) churning out liberty ships at the rate of 3 ships every other day to counter lost cargo ships was totally superfluous and not at all crucial for England.

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        I lived in Russia, and in History class I was taught that Stalin singlehandedly showed up to save those poor helpless Europeans from bloody nazis, because it was the right thing to do.

        When I loved in Europe, it were the Jewish partisans who won WW2 through brain drain on Germany, and the stupid Nazis killed themselves.

        In the US I found out that the thing in Europe was typical Medieval European Kingdoms in a fight, and the real high-tech stuff was in the Pacific.

        Now as a programmer, I know who truly won WW2: it was our legendary bro Alan all along.

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          If you haven’t read it, ‘Cryptonomicon’ by Neal Stephenson sounds like it would be your kind of book. The story alternates between the grandfather, who helped protect the Enigma secret from the Nazis, to the grandson, who is trying to start an online bank. There is hidden treasure, heroic US Marines, mysterious wizards, and tooth extractions.

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            Is the cryptonomicon referencing actual cryptography, or cryptocurrency nonsense? The Enigma is cryptography, but the online bank thing makes me think it’ll touch the cryptocurrency stuff.

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        Ok so I’m by far an expert on world wars but from I understand, America did play a rather isolationist position prior to pearl harbor. We can agree that politically America had some pull on things going on in Europe but they didn’t actively put boots on the ground until shit got really close. Giving others weapons to fight with is one thing. Sacrificing your own lives for the world is a different one

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          America did play a rather isolationist position prior to pearl harbor.

          Britain did play a rather isolationist position prior to the invasion of Poland. It’s just a feature of diplomacy to avoid armed conflict at all costs. Kind of like when Britain secured “peace for our time” by offering Czechoslovakia to Hitler as a Sacrificial Lamb..

          they didn’t actively put boots on the ground until shit got really close.

          False comparison. There was no alternative to “boots on the ground” for the European Allies when the war happened in their backyard, but there was certainly an alternative to the U.S. offering a quarter-trillion dollars (adjusted) in aid to Europe.

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          Yes WW2 started in 1939, and Pearl Harbor was in december 1941. So it took 2 years for USA to get involved. But USA was such a massive influence, because their industrial output was without comparison bigger than anything else in the world. It was bigger than Europe combined. USA was also a major factor in keeping the trans Atlantic traffic open, and defeating the German submarines. D-Day would have been impossible without USA, as USA was the biggest force. USA also suffered the most losses in operation overlord, with almost twice the casualties and killed as UK. All that is apart from doing by far the most in the effort against Japan.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Overlord

          It’s denigrating to the American effort to call that waltzing in.

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          If it wasn’t for the supply shipments to Britain, they likely would have lost before things got close in the first place. Note it wasn’t just weapons but also food and medical supplies.

          Edit: Also, the shipments were regularly attacked by German U-boats, so there absolutely was risk to American lives still.

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      We get it, you have no fucking clue how wwii played out. Maybe you shouldn’t talk about shit you don’t understand

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    When I was a little kid I asked my grandfather one time what it was like to “fight evil”. His response was something along the lines of “I didn’t fight evil. They were just a bunch of scared kids doing what they were told. Just like me.”

    My grandfather fought in Europe, but Japan was still what kicked off WWII. So, I was super nervous about bringing home the woman that would become my first wife for the first time. Her family was from Okinawa.

    When we got there he sat down at the kitchen table and talked to her for a long time. I was in and out doing stuff for the dinner, but they looked happy enough. Later that day he caught me outside and gave me a hug. He told me that she was a good woman and I’d be crazy if I didn’t marry her.

    I really miss my grandfather. He was mostly a good dude.

    Here’s a picture of him during the battle of the bulge. It’s from a book I have, but this picture was originally published in “Yank” magazine. The original clipping sat over his chair in the living room my entire life.

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    Grandpa won’t need to go to Germany for round 3 with the NAZIs. They are right around the corner wearing MAGA hats.

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    ITT: weirdly a lot of people assuming that Grandpa votes Republican based on nothing besides his age and love of guns

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      Dude looks and acts exactly like my great grandfather who served in the navy kn WWII. He was a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and hated Republicans until he died in 2017.

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        … So was my great grandfather, but he was an old school Southern Democrat, he even voted straight ticket. I’d be willing to bet he wouldn’t be fond of modern Democrats.

        People forget that the Democrats of the early 1900s aren’t the same as today. Remember that Republicans are the party of Lincoln, but I wouldn’t be surprised if modern Republicans wanted to bring back slavery.

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    Well, Fascism is on the rise in Germany (and pretty much everywhere else). Makes me incredibly sad and frustrated to see what’s currently happening

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      I know plenty of old folks that are hard to the left, and they served in the military. Is there a reason why you think he votes R?

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    Since most of you guys missed it, that’s something that might be reality in a few years. A fact checking magazine found out that members of the AfD(literal Nazi Party with currently 20-30% of votes depending on the region) and rich people had a meeting where they discussed the misplacing of immigrants and political enemies to Africa. Currently our only hope is to get our lawmakers to finally start the banning process of this party. It is possible, but this pussies are afraid, since it will start an absolute shit show from their supporters.

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    half of germany was with the allied forces in WW2, Russia was with the allied forces as well…a lot of people have forgotten that.

    The nazi side of WW2 is now known as the “axis” forces…I don’t know what they called themselves during the war. Italy, Ukraine, the nazi half of germany and a few others.

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    Respect, going to the range can be a family experience.

    Not so sure about Germany round 3 though.