Has anyone considered that Biden might have an easier time beating trump than he would Nikki Haley? Yes, the trumpers want their orange-over-lord, but if given no other choice they’ll vote for anothwr GOP candidate. Some republicans only voted for Biden because they also hated trump. Given someone who aligns more with their belief they’d chose them instead. A woman might also ease their abortion fears because some GOP women might be hoping that Haley secretly supports abortion (because they, too, secretly support it)
Banishing trump from the ballot will only backfire
If anyone other than Trump wins the Republican primary, Trump will run as an independent candidate. This will split the stupid bigot vote and make things easier for Biden.
Didn’t the Hillary campaign follow this logic? Even helping trump win the primary? I don’t have a source admittedly but remember reading something like this.
I can see where you’re coming from, but I’m not talking about actively promoting him over other candidates. Rather, prosecute him to the full extent of the law but don’t try to take him off the ballot. Let his own actions tank him
Plus he has already lost to Biden before. Hilary wasn’t an ideal candidate, given everything tacked onto her by the GOP
ETA: There are few things that’d be funnier than watching him try to run a campaign from inside a jail cell (though I doubt it would come to that)
Nikki Haley scares the ever loving shit out of me for this reason. Right now she’s saying all the right things about “finding a consensus” on topics like abortion.
Meanwhile while a legislator in S.C., she backed quite a few very strict abortion ban bills. One of them was even a “no exception” policy.
But, right now she “appears moderate” to “moderates”, and the Republican party gets to point at her and be like “Of course we don’t hate women! We voted for one!”
Ugh…her name gives me a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach.
It’s not about going against a candidate that has better chances or trying to prevent a backfire. It’s about following the rule of law and upholding the constitution. DJT is not eligible because he swore and oath and later engaged in insurrection, full stop.
Sure, I’m not disagreeing that he should be ineligible, but it isn’t for the states to make that decision individually. That action can create more problems than it solves. We need him taken down federally, through the courts, and put in prison where he belongs
Personally, I feel Trump’s actions put democracy at it’s core at risk, or at least the greatest risk we’ve had for a long time. He’s done major damage to the faith in elections based on zero evidence, and he incited his supporters to attempt to overthrow an election. I honestly don’t get why there isn’t a bigger deal made out of it. But for those reasons, I would not want to see Trump even have a chance at election again.
Also, about the abortion thing; I used to think maybe a part of their supporters were rational and were only wanting an adjustment on the allowed abortion in regards to amount of weeks of pregnancy…but then republicans just outright banned it completely where they could. They already exposed themselves on this point, anyone still thinking republicans have any reason here is giving them too much credit. They need to earn that credit back. It will come when the Millennials and the next generations overwhelming vote again them.
Circumstances were different at that time than they are now. I’ve already written in another comment about it, but briefly: Biden has already beat him once, Hilary wasn’t the ideal candidate, Trump now has charges and lawsuits against him. Most of the people who were complacent in the 2016 election realized their mistake and voted for Biden, and if trump is running again they’ll likely do the same
It also sets a dangerous precedent for states to disallow presidential candidates from the ballot. Sure, it’s easy to swallow with Trump and all of the investigations swirling around Jan 6 (and everything else) but in 50 years will it be easy to swallow when the State Supreme Courts want to guide a candidate that’s promised to fund their own initiatives into office?
As an aside, has anyone asked about whether the electoral college can vote for a guy that’s not on their state’s ballot but who is still running?
Has anyone considered that Biden might have an easier time beating trump than he would Nikki Haley? Yes, the trumpers want their orange-over-lord, but if given no other choice they’ll vote for anothwr GOP candidate. Some republicans only voted for Biden because they also hated trump. Given someone who aligns more with their belief they’d chose them instead. A woman might also ease their abortion fears because some GOP women might be hoping that Haley secretly supports abortion (because they, too, secretly support it)
Banishing trump from the ballot will only backfire
If anyone other than Trump wins the Republican primary, Trump will run as an independent candidate. This will split the stupid bigot vote and make things easier for Biden.
Definitely a possibility
Didn’t the Hillary campaign follow this logic? Even helping trump win the primary? I don’t have a source admittedly but remember reading something like this.
I can see where you’re coming from, but I’m not talking about actively promoting him over other candidates. Rather, prosecute him to the full extent of the law but don’t try to take him off the ballot. Let his own actions tank him
Plus he has already lost to Biden before. Hilary wasn’t an ideal candidate, given everything tacked onto her by the GOP
ETA: There are few things that’d be funnier than watching him try to run a campaign from inside a jail cell (though I doubt it would come to that)
Gotta agree with you completely thanks for sharing your thoughts
Nikki Haley scares the ever loving shit out of me for this reason. Right now she’s saying all the right things about “finding a consensus” on topics like abortion.
Meanwhile while a legislator in S.C., she backed quite a few very strict abortion ban bills. One of them was even a “no exception” policy.
But, right now she “appears moderate” to “moderates”, and the Republican party gets to point at her and be like “Of course we don’t hate women! We voted for one!”
Ugh…her name gives me a nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Yeah, she makes me nervous. She has a brain
It’s not about going against a candidate that has better chances or trying to prevent a backfire. It’s about following the rule of law and upholding the constitution. DJT is not eligible because he swore and oath and later engaged in insurrection, full stop.
Sure, I’m not disagreeing that he should be ineligible, but it isn’t for the states to make that decision individually. That action can create more problems than it solves. We need him taken down federally, through the courts, and put in prison where he belongs
Personally, I feel Trump’s actions put democracy at it’s core at risk, or at least the greatest risk we’ve had for a long time. He’s done major damage to the faith in elections based on zero evidence, and he incited his supporters to attempt to overthrow an election. I honestly don’t get why there isn’t a bigger deal made out of it. But for those reasons, I would not want to see Trump even have a chance at election again. Also, about the abortion thing; I used to think maybe a part of their supporters were rational and were only wanting an adjustment on the allowed abortion in regards to amount of weeks of pregnancy…but then republicans just outright banned it completely where they could. They already exposed themselves on this point, anyone still thinking republicans have any reason here is giving them too much credit. They need to earn that credit back. It will come when the Millennials and the next generations overwhelming vote again them.
That’s how we ended up with President Trump in the first place.
Circumstances were different at that time than they are now. I’ve already written in another comment about it, but briefly: Biden has already beat him once, Hilary wasn’t the ideal candidate, Trump now has charges and lawsuits against him. Most of the people who were complacent in the 2016 election realized their mistake and voted for Biden, and if trump is running again they’ll likely do the same
It also sets a dangerous precedent for states to disallow presidential candidates from the ballot. Sure, it’s easy to swallow with Trump and all of the investigations swirling around Jan 6 (and everything else) but in 50 years will it be easy to swallow when the State Supreme Courts want to guide a candidate that’s promised to fund their own initiatives into office?
As an aside, has anyone asked about whether the electoral college can vote for a guy that’s not on their state’s ballot but who is still running?