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Dude. I have a friend JUST like this.
They always think they are bugging me by merely sending me messages - regardless of how often I tell them that’s what friends do (chat, that is).
Doesn’t stop them from apologizing…
Stamets narrows his eyes
Fuck you, I’m telling on you. I don’t need to be called out like this. You’re my friend, how dare you attack me like this. No apologies. Suffer.
Maybe they don’t have a developmental disorder, maybe they’re just Canadian.
Why not both?
For people trying to get a diagnosis, mainly mention the internal and social aspect of your disorder not the obvious stuff. Doctors can see highly visible symptoms without you saying. The only reason I have one is because I opened with “the social issues from ADHD are killing me…” nobody knows how to complain about those without actually having the disorder.
I understand that hyperactivity and attention deficit does not take into account the experience of fear of losing friends. In fact, I agree with this post in an unexpected way: I think the DSM is a joke, especially when the DSM authors themselves say it should not be used for diagnoses and treatments. Especially when they say that the theoretical bases for the DSM, the neo-Krapelian model, has not found the evidence it needs to justify itself (i.e. reliable biomarkers in the brain).
But I think it’s fair to evaluate the post. The goal is to evaluate its accuracy, the truth behind it.
If we do it, my mind immediately goes to the literature on the effects of attention. Attention training has all sorts of benefits. You see it in mindfulness training. You see it in focusing-on-the-breath training. You see it even in focusing-on-your-feet training.
Attention is not trivial. It is quite literally your experience of your existence, of your life. It determines what you notice and what you don’t. It determines what you do and what you don’t.
Heck, even I have struggled with attention. I know what it is to lack it and to train it.
All of this makes me think that, yeah, maybe ADHD is not called “my-friends-might-hate-me-and-I’m-terrified-of-that disorder”, but the attention part is accurate. Attention matters profoundly.
More broadly, I think it’s easy to dismiss psychology. Yes, it is a fraught science. Yes, it carries the baggage of Freudian and psycho-analytic bullshit, as well as neo-Krapelian bullshit. However, not all psychology is unscientific. And not all psychology is inaccurate.
Even with these problems, psychology has noticed something. It has noticed that there’s a cluster of symptoms. And it turns out that there’s a defining feature of this cluster of symptoms: a lack of attention (and hyperactivity).
In calling this cluster of symptoms this way, psychology made a choice. It chose to emphasize the defining feature. It did not choose to describe its symptoms or its effects. And I don’t think that is a problem.
It’s similar to how cancer is not called “you-will-get-scared-shitless-and-lose-your-hair disease”.
I think the OP has a stick-it-to-the-man sentiment. And I agree that there’s plenty of space for that in psychology. But I really don’t see that in the naming of ADHD. I would much rather sticking it to Freudian bullshit and the bases of the DSM.
I think the DSM is a joke, especially when the DSM authors themselves say it should not be used for diagnoses and treatments.
This book should not be used for diagnoses
Look at title
Diagnostic and Statistical ManualI don’t have time for a proper response (sorry!) but I quickly searched for sources. This is from the DSM-V work group, the people who built the DSM-V: (page 8 of the pdf here as well as page 18 of the pdf here).
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m making fun of the situation the DSM V finds itself in
And it turns out that there’s a defining feature of this cluster of symptoms: a lack of attention (and hyperactivity)
Except hyperactivity is not a defining feature of the cluster. This belief, in fact, has historically biased practitioners against correctly diagnosing women with ADHD because ADHD tends to present differently in women. And to call the relationship of a person with ADHD to their attention a “lack” is a massive oversimplification. Sometimes we have too much attention and hyperfocus on a single thing for what neurotypical people consider an unusual amount of time. That’s just as much a part of my ADHD as are the moments where I “lack” attention. The defining feature is a disorder in dopamine regulation.
It’s funny cos when I was young I recall it being called (at least sometimes) ADD. So the H has been added (or made mandatory in the name) at a time when we’re realising that hyperactivity is not a necessary symptom.
This is why I was convinced up until the last few years that I didn’t have it. I’m certainly not fucking hyperactive, so how could I have ADHD? is what I used to think.
A lot of people
used tostill think this.Think of the ‘hyperactivity’ as more related to your thoughts. In that everyone has a stream of thoughts going, ours is just overactive. And it’s only that some people do actually physically express the hyperactivity.
(Still not the most succinct word for it though)
I like to think of it as the “hyperactive” part being my brain.
The hyperactivity describes what goes on in afflicted people’s heads, not (necessarily) that they can’t sit still.
Because hyperactivity is a well documented symptom associated with the neurodevelopmental disorder?
Why is that symptom more well documented than the others listed in the meme?
I didn’t say it was? Some quick research indicates that the origins of the disease came out of observations of younger children, in which hyperactivity was a clear indicator. As time went on it was realized that other observable symptoms existed in older populations. A link between the symptoms was realized and it was determined they were in fact symptoms of the same disorder. Hence: ADHD. It turns out when doctors came up with the name it was based on the realities of the disorder and not as a slight to the people diagnosed with it.
The hyperactivity looks so different between people. I was the quiet kid in class, but I wasn’t there.
I was off in Pokemon/digimon land for most of elementary school. And lucky that I was smart and I could do tests in class by figuring them out on the fly.
Yes, because when we deal with psychological issues, most people focus on treating the symptoms.
I mean, that presentation is far from universal to ADHD. It’s not called “Trouble Sitting Still Disorder”, it’s got a name that succinctly references the most common symptoms, like… deficit in attention, and hyperactivity. Is that universal to and a full description of all presentations? No, but this is true of basically all complex disorders.
Who is “they” in this context?
Neuronormative psuchiastrists.
I refuse to call it normal.
They’re neuromild. Mayonnaise brains.
We spicy.
Mayo has a flavor and a great protein to fat ratio – esp for overclocked brain activity. How about agar? Or shake base.
No all the normies got together in a secret normie meeting and voted on it
It’s not a secret. People are actively marginalized and pushed out by bullies without scruples.
Remember that time Durkheim had to plow a crowd of people to get WEB Du Bois to the stage because they didn’t want to look at Du Bois speaking? Dipshits.
True for most disabilities they center the “ideal norm”.
