Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Youre right, it takes two to have a child. Condoms still break, birth control fails, people lie. The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this so they don’t have to resort to unsafe pregnancies or having an unwanted child.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Because in that case, only one parent can abandon the child. That’s not equal. It’s saying men have no real responsibility for their children, only women do.
The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this
No, the reason we have abortions is that pregnancy is harmful for women. It cripples you for weeks. It makes you unable to work for months. Women die every year from pregnancy complications. Abortion is about the woman’s right to healthcare, not the insentient clump of cells. Parental rights are about the live baby.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Which he should be, because it’s his baby. He made it just as much as the woman did. The man’s time to opt out is different from the woman’s because of biology, but he still had the opportunity to opt out.
Ahh so you’re just going to victim blame gotcha. You don’t even pretend to have a solution, just that well the man had sex so it’s his fault. Even though my entire message was explicity for the people trapped into this situation similar to how many woman are forced to continue a pregnancy.
That’s literally reality. The baby is the result of a man and a woman having sex, not just the woman. The baby is both parents’ child, not just one’s parent. There isn’t a “solution”, because that’s not a problem. It WOULD be a problem if one could abandon their child with no consequences, which is why they can’t.
The woman can make the choice themselves. In a world where the male isn’t forced into subservience, the woman makes a responsible choice about what they want to do before having the child. Simple as. No one is forcing them to have the child, but the woman can force the male to be? Nope sorry, unless you have a solution that doesn’t resort to victim blaming I’m not buying it.
When you punch a wall, you may not be intending for a whole to form, but you still have to pay to fix it. When you have sex, you may not be intending to have a child, but you still have the responsibility to care for it. Because nobody else made the kid, you did. Reality is not victim blaming.
Your analogy fails since a wall only needs to be repaired once for a single action. I imagine you believe that a man can’t force a woman to have an abortion, so why should a woman be able to force a man to pay her for 18 years, even when he would rather the woman not go through the pain of having a child and having an abortion.
Woman doesn’t want to have an abortion? Then they can choose to keep the child with the knowledge that the father didn’t choose to have one.
The only reason child support exists in the first place is because the government doesn’t want to pay for people’s kids. If we had safety nets for mothers this wouldn’t even be a topic.
You still have not convinced me that men should have absolutely no say in whether or not they have a child after any of the above mistakes are made, they’re forced into it, or lied to. In every other situation I agree, the father made a choice to have a child and should be expected to help. But you’re being disingenuous and saying “All men bad” and not arguing in good faith, so, again, fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit, all you’re doing is making people already agreeing with you not want to agree with you.
Genuinely curious, how is it not equal that when abortion is available, the male has no way of saying “I don’t want a child”
Youre right, it takes two to have a child. Condoms still break, birth control fails, people lie. The entire reason we want abortions to be legal is for the edge cases exactly like this so they don’t have to resort to unsafe pregnancies or having an unwanted child.
In the US, in some states, even if you try to simply run away the gal is forced to put down any name as the father, and he will be held accountable for the child whether he agreed or not.
Because in that case, only one parent can abandon the child. That’s not equal. It’s saying men have no real responsibility for their children, only women do.
No, the reason we have abortions is that pregnancy is harmful for women. It cripples you for weeks. It makes you unable to work for months. Women die every year from pregnancy complications. Abortion is about the woman’s right to healthcare, not the insentient clump of cells. Parental rights are about the live baby.
Which he should be, because it’s his baby. He made it just as much as the woman did. The man’s time to opt out is different from the woman’s because of biology, but he still had the opportunity to opt out.
Ahh so you’re just going to victim blame gotcha. You don’t even pretend to have a solution, just that well the man had sex so it’s his fault. Even though my entire message was explicity for the people trapped into this situation similar to how many woman are forced to continue a pregnancy.
That’s literally reality. The baby is the result of a man and a woman having sex, not just the woman. The baby is both parents’ child, not just one’s parent. There isn’t a “solution”, because that’s not a problem. It WOULD be a problem if one could abandon their child with no consequences, which is why they can’t.
The woman can make the choice themselves. In a world where the male isn’t forced into subservience, the woman makes a responsible choice about what they want to do before having the child. Simple as. No one is forcing them to have the child, but the woman can force the male to be? Nope sorry, unless you have a solution that doesn’t resort to victim blaming I’m not buying it.
When you punch a wall, you may not be intending for a whole to form, but you still have to pay to fix it. When you have sex, you may not be intending to have a child, but you still have the responsibility to care for it. Because nobody else made the kid, you did. Reality is not victim blaming.
Your analogy fails since a wall only needs to be repaired once for a single action. I imagine you believe that a man can’t force a woman to have an abortion, so why should a woman be able to force a man to pay her for 18 years, even when he would rather the woman not go through the pain of having a child and having an abortion.
Woman doesn’t want to have an abortion? Then they can choose to keep the child with the knowledge that the father didn’t choose to have one.
The only reason child support exists in the first place is because the government doesn’t want to pay for people’s kids. If we had safety nets for mothers this wouldn’t even be a topic.
You still have not convinced me that men should have absolutely no say in whether or not they have a child after any of the above mistakes are made, they’re forced into it, or lied to. In every other situation I agree, the father made a choice to have a child and should be expected to help. But you’re being disingenuous and saying “All men bad” and not arguing in good faith, so, again, fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit, all you’re doing is making people already agreeing with you not want to agree with you.