Israeli army is significantly made of conscripts. Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
And I am sure not all of them support the government.
I would go as far as the one with PTSD and committing suicide are the ones that less support the talking points of the government
Option 1: Rape and kill (in)discriminately for 3 years
Option 2: Use your passport and leave
Option 3: Object and face jail time (inversely proportional to how well your parents are connected to police, lawyers, or politicians)
Gee, all three options sound equally bad so it’s a very tough choice
Do you realise that the wast majority of conscripts is doing office job. When you take the decision option 1 is more “doing office job unless you are unlucky”. And even there, likely the people that commit suicide and/or develop PTSD are not people that rape (they are doing just fine and happy to go for another mission)
Option 2 is only if you have two citizenships (and the other is not Russian like the majority of Israeli people) otherwise you can’t really move
Of course I do, did I stutter? Genocide needs compliant office workers, or did you think “terrorist office workers” have their hands clean?
Option 2 is available for every Israeli, including the vast majority of citizens who have dual citizenship, and not exclusively. Israel does not have a SuperIsrael preventing them to flee
I sure as shit wouldn’t be shooting children in the streets. Anywhere I guess, but also the streets. I’d rather take a bullet to the head denying an order instead of murdering an innocent.
PTSD can be caused by much more than just shooting someone. For example, witnessing the horror is probably enough. Most soldiers, in any military, never fire their rifle in combat. Many still have PTSD.
There’s children, there’s folks who refuse service. So I would venture to say that there are some people in Israel who are innocent. Of course, anyone who served in the military is not on that list.
Conscientious objectors are a thing. There are consequences to objecting, of course. Maybe it makes you a pariah in the settler colonial apartheid ethnostate of Israel, but just fucking move, you’re not supposed to be there anyway. Maybe you cannot move out of Israel, and you’ll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life or whatever. But you know what? Murdering a child to save your own career still makes you the bad guy. Helping others murder children to save your own career still makes you the bad guy.
But even beyond that, it’s not like these folks are going to gaza with a gun pointed to their head. Most of the population supports the government’s genocide of Palestinians, as polls show. There are very few innocents in Israel.
Israeli army is significantly made of conscripts. Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
And I am sure not all of them support the government. I would go as far as the one with PTSD and committing suicide are the ones that less support the talking points of the government
They were just following orders?
They have the option of refusing service and serving a few months in jail instead of shooting toddlers in the head. Conscription is not an excuse.
If you’re downvoting the idea of refusing to shoot children for 30 days in jail, you might just be a Nazi.
That excuse is one step removed from “just following orders”
Cool, what would you do? Desert? (And go where?) Commit suicide?
Option 1: Rape and kill (in)discriminately for 3 years Option 2: Use your passport and leave Option 3: Object and face jail time (inversely proportional to how well your parents are connected to police, lawyers, or politicians)
Gee, all three options sound equally bad so it’s a very tough choice
Do you realise that the wast majority of conscripts is doing office job. When you take the decision option 1 is more “doing office job unless you are unlucky”. And even there, likely the people that commit suicide and/or develop PTSD are not people that rape (they are doing just fine and happy to go for another mission)
Option 2 is only if you have two citizenships (and the other is not Russian like the majority of Israeli people) otherwise you can’t really move
Of course I do, did I stutter? Genocide needs compliant office workers, or did you think “terrorist office workers” have their hands clean?
Option 2 is available for every Israeli, including the vast majority of citizens who have dual citizenship, and not exclusively. Israel does not have a SuperIsrael preventing them to flee
It is possible to refuse to be conscripted, and be sent to jail for 30 days. Mostly people go to another country.
Most of them are dual citizens anyway, easiest out for any military.
I sure as shit wouldn’t be shooting children in the streets. Anywhere I guess, but also the streets. I’d rather take a bullet to the head denying an order instead of murdering an innocent.
PTSD can be caused by much more than just shooting someone. For example, witnessing the horror is probably enough. Most soldiers, in any military, never fire their rifle in combat. Many still have PTSD.
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Are you saying there are no innocents in Israel?
There’s children, there’s folks who refuse service. So I would venture to say that there are some people in Israel who are innocent. Of course, anyone who served in the military is not on that list.
Conscientious objectors are a thing. There are consequences to objecting, of course. Maybe it makes you a pariah in the settler colonial apartheid ethnostate of Israel, but just fucking move, you’re not supposed to be there anyway. Maybe you cannot move out of Israel, and you’ll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life or whatever. But you know what? Murdering a child to save your own career still makes you the bad guy. Helping others murder children to save your own career still makes you the bad guy.
But even beyond that, it’s not like these folks are going to gaza with a gun pointed to their head. Most of the population supports the government’s genocide of Palestinians, as polls show. There are very few innocents in Israel.