Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality
You can start any political party you want to, have any opinions you like. Doesn’t mean you’re entitled to meeting a minister to discuss your opinions.
We need more lions, not martyrs. Do they think them starving themselves to death achieves anything?
It seems foolish to me to get involved in this kind of debate if you don’t fully understand the terminology, and given your ignorance it seems futile to discuss martyrdom and it’s galvanising effect. Other than to mention that a large portion of the world’s population have been celebrating someone for their martyrdom for hundreds of years. Their birthday was about three weeks ago.
And changing the law to proscribe groups who’s only crime is criminal damage as terrorists, and then holding members of that group without trail for over a year is totally fine, right? Not extreme and definitely not a breach of human rights? Do you think these people would be starving themselves to death if they were not imprisoned unfairly, and without prospect of release or even a fair trail?
Sounds to me that you like a bit of Authoritarianism, despite not knowing what it is. I guess if you like the taste of boot then that’s up to you but I prefer a free and fair society.
It’s a rejection of the magna carta, this and a host of other things this government has done or watched their judiciary do with hidden glee. Locking down the internet, connecting every person to an account in a way lower level government, connected groups, hackers, oligarchs, etc can end up accessing, and otherwise putting everything done or said or looked at through half baked ai threat detection run by the antichrist peter thiel and his ilk, making secret social scores to determine you job prospects, loans, police and court treatment, prices you pay, results your search engines show you.
That is where that is heading. Trying to set up this new technology right up the asses of it’s citizenry. England is the birthplace of modern liberty, the first in many respects to throw off censorship and the controls on the press and speech, and other rights outlined in the magna carta. Now it’s the first to cancel them. Including cancelling jury trials for up to 3 years in prison, from 1 changed in 2020. Before any crime was decided by a jury, a basic right demanded in that magna carta. Now decided by a magistrate chosen by their old boy legal network.
Entering a military base to damage military equipment is a hostile act that has national security issues. They’re not smashing up a McDonald’s at Liverpool St.
The Suffragists got shit done, the Suffragettes didn’t. Maybe learn from history?
Oh, I see, you know better than the UN’s human rights department. Thanks random internet dude, that’s changed my mind completely.
Seriously though, I will add the term ‘terrorism’ to the list of long words you don’t understand. Also, the term ‘suffergette’, which was coined to disparage female suffergists by the Daily Mail, so the two are exactly the same thing. You also seem to think that the suffergettes weren’t successful by using the same tactics that these people are. So I’m actually starting to wonder if you’re slightly delusional, rather than just uneducated. Thanks for bringing them up though.
And finally, you avoided my previous questions, which marks you as someone incapable or unwilling of debating in good faith, and like any troll the best way to deal with you is to cut off your food supply. So, goodbye my poorly educated/deluded friend, I hope you grow some compassion, but if not, I hope the rest of your existence is as cold and lonely as you seem to be. Bye!
I think you’re the deluded one honestly, spending time bootlicking the state instead of expressing solidarity with people trying to stop violence our government is engaged in.
You seem to be using this argument like it’s some kind of zinger, rather than a remarkable demonstration of your lack of understanding of the situation.
This is what got them proscribed as a terrorist group
They each face a charge of conspiracy to destroy property and conspiracy to enter a prohibited place for a purpose prejudicial to the safety and/or interests of the UK.
So are you saying you believe they have been charged?
Also important to note the person this thread is about is not in the article you linked, so can you clarify whether you believe Heba is related to the article you linked?
What? What is authoritarian about not getting a meeting with a minister?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
It’s in the first sentence.
You can start any political party you want to, have any opinions you like. Doesn’t mean you’re entitled to meeting a minister to discuss your opinions.
We need more lions, not martyrs. Do they think them starving themselves to death achieves anything?
The dude is in prison. Got a better way for him to garner attention?
What good is attention?
I’m not certain if you’re being purposefully obtuse here or are just genuinely thick, so I’ll reference Wikipedia again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_(political_philosophy)
It seems foolish to me to get involved in this kind of debate if you don’t fully understand the terminology, and given your ignorance it seems futile to discuss martyrdom and it’s galvanising effect. Other than to mention that a large portion of the world’s population have been celebrating someone for their martyrdom for hundreds of years. Their birthday was about three weeks ago.
Going on a pointless hunger strike and expecting the govt to bend to your demands sounds pretty extreme.
And changing the law to proscribe groups who’s only crime is criminal damage as terrorists, and then holding members of that group without trail for over a year is totally fine, right? Not extreme and definitely not a breach of human rights? Do you think these people would be starving themselves to death if they were not imprisoned unfairly, and without prospect of release or even a fair trail?
The UN doesn’t seem to think so: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/12/un-experts-urge-uk-protect-lives-and-rights-pro-palestinian-detainees-hunger
Sounds to me that you like a bit of Authoritarianism, despite not knowing what it is. I guess if you like the taste of boot then that’s up to you but I prefer a free and fair society.
It’s a rejection of the magna carta, this and a host of other things this government has done or watched their judiciary do with hidden glee. Locking down the internet, connecting every person to an account in a way lower level government, connected groups, hackers, oligarchs, etc can end up accessing, and otherwise putting everything done or said or looked at through half baked ai threat detection run by the antichrist peter thiel and his ilk, making secret social scores to determine you job prospects, loans, police and court treatment, prices you pay, results your search engines show you.
That is where that is heading. Trying to set up this new technology right up the asses of it’s citizenry. England is the birthplace of modern liberty, the first in many respects to throw off censorship and the controls on the press and speech, and other rights outlined in the magna carta. Now it’s the first to cancel them. Including cancelling jury trials for up to 3 years in prison, from 1 changed in 2020. Before any crime was decided by a jury, a basic right demanded in that magna carta. Now decided by a magistrate chosen by their old boy legal network.
Entering a military base to damage military equipment is a hostile act that has national security issues. They’re not smashing up a McDonald’s at Liverpool St.
The Suffragists got shit done, the Suffragettes didn’t. Maybe learn from history?
Oh, I see, you know better than the UN’s human rights department. Thanks random internet dude, that’s changed my mind completely.
Seriously though, I will add the term ‘terrorism’ to the list of long words you don’t understand. Also, the term ‘suffergette’, which was coined to disparage female suffergists by the Daily Mail, so the two are exactly the same thing. You also seem to think that the suffergettes weren’t successful by using the same tactics that these people are. So I’m actually starting to wonder if you’re slightly delusional, rather than just uneducated. Thanks for bringing them up though.
And finally, you avoided my previous questions, which marks you as someone incapable or unwilling of debating in good faith, and like any troll the best way to deal with you is to cut off your food supply. So, goodbye my poorly educated/deluded friend, I hope you grow some compassion, but if not, I hope the rest of your existence is as cold and lonely as you seem to be. Bye!
They could improve their conditions by eating something. This is purely performative.
The Palestinians and Jews have been throwing rocks at each other for thousands of years, we just sell rocks
Thinking that your opinion matters so much you are willing to die for it suggests mental illness, not political protest
Is the genocide in Gaza a pointless thing to protest to you?
No. The pointless thing is a hunger strike with demands on the government, it’s delusional.
I think you’re the deluded one honestly, spending time bootlicking the state instead of expressing solidarity with people trying to stop violence our government is engaged in.
I’m not bootlicking anything. I don’t agree with the approach, wouldn’t you rather have something effective?
Are you saying the law on remand is an opinion?
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime
They haven’t been charged.
You seem to be using this argument like it’s some kind of zinger, rather than a remarkable demonstration of your lack of understanding of the situation.
Win stupid prizes
What crime have they been >charged< for?
This is what got them proscribed as a terrorist group
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98nn62djpdo
So are you saying you believe they have been charged?
Also important to note the person this thread is about is not in the article you linked, so can you clarify whether you believe Heba is related to the article you linked?
Yes, that’s how it works. You get charged, then either held on remand or bailed before your trial.