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What I see when I watch the video, is someone trying to drive away, the ice agent attempting to open the door of a moving vehicle to pull them out, and then firing on the drive when they can’t open the door.
It’s not self defense, it’s a use of lethal force against a citizen attempting to disengage from a confrontation with a government official that lacks the authority to arrest them.
You are a sane, rational and empathetic person. Well said.
I know its murder. You know its murder. Unfortunately justice is blind… like its eyes were stabbed out with an ice pick.
They were stabbed by 50% of people going through life not giving a shit about anything, then 30% of the remaining 100 actively wanting to harm others as their primary purpose in life.
You see it in the poll numbers.
Its why republicans consistently get 30% and democrats fluctuate based on vibes maaan.
You also see it in how people act when witnessing someone being abused, where most just want to turn away and pretend its none of their business even when they are in a position to do something meaningful.
Evil is persistent. Its beyond me to pretend I understand. I would just say, try to be a good person. Like, really try.
1984 should be required reading for every high school kid.
I suspect there is a strong correlation between not reading and being Republican
The real problem isn’t people who don’t read it. It’s people who do and think only the other side of the political spectrum/geopolitical conflict is doing similar things.
It was at my highschool, I’m guessing that’s abnormal
It was at mine too, and I live in a
client state colonized byhumble country LIBERATED and granted the privilege of FREEDOM by the USA in the 70s.
It should also be taught dystopias are meant to avoid, not proof ones heroship.
The thing to point out is the window in the background, since it’s not moving.
You can clearly see where the cop is in the 2nd and third frames right below the window, and you can see the trajectory of the car going well to the right of the window in the last frame while he’s shooting.
She was never going to hit him. She intentionally avoided doing so by backing up and turning. Her last moment in life was looking out for the safety of the man that would kill her.
Let’s say she was even headed straight for him – shooting her is still the worst possible option because he’s essentially just slamming on the accelerator. There’s no world where this can be justified at all.
We’ve been calling it the unguided missile effect. You shoot someone in a car that isn’t in park and you’ve released a big chunk of metal at yourself and anyone nearby.
Are you talking about the same person? I don’t think the shooter is visible in the 2nd frame. The person who tries to open her door is, the shooter had walked around her car.
I saw the officer standing 10 ft in front of the vehicle. When she turned the wheel and began to move the vehicle out of the road, the officer jumps out of the way of the vehicle and then proceeds to move to the left front of the car at which point I think he makes contact with his leg against the car while simultaneously pulling and firing his weapon.
It was as if he was waiting for an opportunity to run into the vehicle and claim self defenseSorry - miscounted frames. He shows up in the 3rd frame, but the same thing applies. Look at the window above his head in the 3rd and 4th frames and the trajectory of the car in the 5th.
Just wanted to make sure we’re on the same page, there seems to be a lot of confusion around the video and it wasn’t even clear to me until I finally found a full unedited version posted.
I didn’t understand a lot of 1984 when I was a teenager. Winston’s job is to censor data from the past to agree with the current administration. How in the hell would that ever be a job?
2026: Oh…
For real man it is legit happening. Like we’ve drawn parallels before but now it’s a god damn handbook.
Throw in news, search engines, LLMs and social media effectively all owned by party loyalists, and it’s actually pretty easy. Who would’ve thought. Now just gotta defund libraries, schools, and public radio and TV.
The reality is that the people who love death and violence will say and believe whatever to continue wanking to these displays of power. They’re rotten to the core, they WANT the nonsense explanations to soften the cognitive dissonance.
Is society so broken that we unintentionally produce these kinds of monsters or are some people just inherently born evil? And if it’s the latter how do we even realistically combat such a thing? I’m tired of this place. This place sucks.
Is society so broken that we unintentionally produce these kinds of monsters or are some people just inherently born evil?
Unintentionally? Brother there are like a dozen rich white right wing billionaires who have made this their lives purpose. There have been organizations like them for … basically forever with all different sorts of dynamics.
They are very intentionally being created, and of course some people grow up without empathy for those different for them, or without any at all.
Society is that broken imo. People are understandably angry that their material conditions suck. The economy sucks. They hate their job. They hate their wife/husband/kids that they felt like they have to have. But our education system has been absolutely gutted, so they don’t understand why their life sucks so bad.
And instead of a real education they get fed propaganda saying “traditionalism is good, and it’s these outsiders with dangerous, new ideas that have ruined the country and are making your life terrible.” And just believing the people with power that tell them this is a hell of a lot easier than trying to educate themselves on why life actually sucks.
Remember, fascism operates on having an in-group the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group the law binds but does not protect. So as long as they’re part of the in-group they get to feel safe and secure. And they get to blame the out-group for their problems, so attacking the out-group is actually dealing with their problems. (And improperly venting their anger)
And if you throw in some conspiracies, like the “Jews run the world” bullshit, then it makes people feel special bc they have “secret knowledge” that no one else knows or understands. So instead of feeling inferior bc they’re uneducated, they get to feel smart and special
Now all of this is absolutely horrendous. The bright side is that if learned, which means that some people will unlearn it and we can work towards making sure kids aren’t taught this bullshit now or in the future. It’ll be really fucking difficult, but it’s vital to making the world less shit
Nice points.
fascism operates on…
That’s conservatism.
Ah you’re right. The conservatives in the USA are pretty much all fascists at this point so I literally forgot the difference 😭 I hate this country
The values necessary to fuel the empire’s economy and narratives, which run on innocent blood, sweat and tears, are not conducive to having a society of prosocial, healthy, righteous individuals. Don’t worry, it’s different elsewhere, Americans are just particularly cooked. Even the UK, which was the world’s main villain some years ago, is a somewhat different and more humane society (Tommy Robinson and pals excluded ofc).
It really is an American/turbo Western issue at the moment but it has been part of the culture of many older civilizations, and an ideological one, which means it can be changed!
You’ve just kicked the can down the line and created a loop. “The empire’s economy and narratives”. Who exactly do you think runs these empires? Hint. It’s people.
Tyrannical governments have existed since the earliest of recorded history. It’s not something exclusive to any one country. People are bastards no matter their color, race, creed or tribe. People suck.
“People are shitty because other people are shitty.” I understand the logic to it but when exactly did this cycle start? What is the initial source of evil that pushed the world into chaos if not us?
The only way we move forward is to accept responsibility and be held accountable, which is seemingly incompatible with human life. People gladly deny genocides on this very site daily.
I don’t think I can come to any other conclusions than people are just inherently evil. Maybe good doesn’t even exist? Just a planet full of pricks fucking everybody else over for their own personal gain and “good” is a fairy tale we tell ourselves to make us feel better and wash away our sins.
People are not inherently evil, I’d even say we’re predisposed to prosociality, but intelligence plus free will mixed with selfishness and fear make us more than capable of being/doing “evil”, certainly. We’re imperfect, we’ll never not be, but I do believe we can be better towards each other with a minimal amount of great excesses. The only way to combat it is to truly believe collectively it’s our duty to be righteous, and here’s where believing in God, and that will judge us all fairly for our deeds, comes in handy. Idk any other more foolproof way, as in one empathetic philosopher might bring himself to do this without belief somewhat successfully but the other 99 will require some sort of handrails to walk through life ethically more successfully than not.
I think we would be alright if we simply defaulted to caring about all human life on this planet. We can’t continue picking groups of people to place above others.
Maybe having certain stickers is making people a target, because their background is fit to be portrayed as fringe be J.D. Vance after being murdered. All in order to provoke more police state, not less.
Amongst other things, sure, because if you have “good people stickers” you’re a rebel in the genocidal, slaver, rapist American empire. It’s just that the empire has gotten to the point where the ideology and lies have to be truly enforced (things will get materially worse for everyone besides the oligarchs, bloodthirsty racists included, the party lines are distractions and coping mechanisms). Regardless, it’s joever. Your government and your own neighbours will show you as much humanity and kindness as they did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
Someone climbed through the window to access a restricted area being defended by armed government agents in capital Hill, during a siege. Another tried to drive away from armed government agents on the street. It’s unbelievable that the former is a hero to conservatives and the latter is a terrorist.
I think I agree with your sentiment, but the words “latter” and “former” are reversed, as you’re currently suggesting that the conservatives view the one that drove away as a hero.
Nice one, I fixed it to avoid looking like an accidental fascist.
Anyone who says he was in front of the vehicle has to admit that he must be extremely stupid to stand in front of a vehicle instead of taking 2 or 3 steps to the side. Moving out of the way of a car is my automatic reaction to being anywhere near the front or rear of one.
Do not believe antything ‘they’ tell you
“Being forced to vote for democrats is democracy!”
“There is no genocide in gaza!”
Good thing the republicans are so terrible, blue conservatives. How else would you look good?
I am very confused by your comment. Could you explain what you meant? Might be a language barrier?
Op: hurr durr both sides are bad. Democrats only look good because Republicans are terrible.
Standard ml bullshit designed to reduce participation
My impression of you…
“Hurr Durr the Democrats will save us take my money”
Meanwhile, on Earth, bOtH sIdEs finance ICE every year, and their budget has more than doubled since creation.
You do realise that ICE wasn’t all fascists from the get go, right? That they actually served a lawful purpose? Which is why financing them wasn’t a problem?
ICE has always been fascist, they were created by the Patriot Act, which is “lawful”, and also a perfect tool for fascism.
Their creation made what is happening now inevitable.
They weren’t created out of the blue. They’re the connection of two other federal agencies - naturalisation and customs service.
As you noticed, they were created at the time of Patriot Act, meaning they’ve been around for 25 years now. There weren’t any issues with them during Bush or Obama, were there? Or rather: there weren’t any more issues with them than there were with Border Patrol or ex-Customs Services, etc.
Basically, issues pop up whenever Trump’s in power. Because he has stupid policies. Like when Border Patrol was supposed to hire 60,000 agents within a couple of months to “strengthen border protection and stop smuggling from Mexico”. Lo and behold, they ended up hiring active cartel members and smuggling stats went through the roof. Which anybody with a semblance of a functioning brain expected to happen.
Now it’s the same exact situation - ICE received the order to kick out 1,000,000 “illegal immigrants” in 2025. For context on how ridiculous this number is: deportations increased steadily during Biden admin, reaching 72,000 in FY 2022 and 143,000 in FY 2023. FY 2024 saw the highest single-year total with 271,484 deportations.
And now Trump wanted 1 million. Which meant, just as before with Border Patrol, that they had to basically hire anyone who wasn’t running away from their recruiters fast enough. And exactly the same thing as before happened, only this time it’s US not Mexican criminals being hired. All the Proud Boys and what not.
The existence of the formation is fine, every country on the planet has an equivalent agency, it’s Trump’s policy that’s fucking everything up - as is tradition.
What lawful purpose? As I understand it they were an unnecessary creation by George Bush Jnr, but I’m open to being better advised.
In fact I recall discussion at the time about them being used to suppress the population in the future. Those discussing it were ridiculed, as were those who said the US would elect Trump.
They were the union of two previously existing agencies, immigration and naturalization services and the US customs service.
It may have been unnecessary, but it was part of a larger federal law enforcement and intelligence apparatus reorganization, and not a net new block of enforcement operations.Excluding deporting people needlessly for racist bullshit reasons, they have other responsibilities regarding human trafficking, and certain classes of international crime.
So you didn’t vote then?
