What do you Mean? It won’t work without federalisation. With a federal EU, we would have a united military force, united economics, united international politics. Actually having a say in the global world as it is changing/collapsing.
This is what canada, Mexico and australia is envy at us right now… We have the chance to be a 3rd superpower, instead of 27 sepperate nations, competing on who can suck trumps Dick the most.
I’m not quite sure where a federation would differ from what we already have? Would it be a unified codex of laws? Unified economy? Unified military?
I’m not convinced unified laws will ever work due to cultural and environmental differences. e.g. Sweden isn’t necessarily going to agree to Italy’s ideas on trafic laws, or incarceration methos.
If it’s a unified economy, how do we differentiate between the different needs? Do we all adobt Poland’s health care system? If we don’t, and just continues doing healthcare however we want, is it fair if Belgium needs more money per person for healthcare then Spain in the unified economy?
I can sorta see a unified military work, but that might very well just be because a complete lack of knowledge, and there may be some big differences around.
I think we are still way too different in culture to just accept anything more than what we have right now. It would just lead to massive divides like we see in USA, where massive cultural differences and differences in values are literally tearing the country apart.
They want what the US has. Each state has their own laws for things like traffic and healthcare, and the federal government is supposed to deal with issues that affect multiple or every state, like common defence and interstate commerce.
I don’t know if you are American, but the states are very different, economically and culturally. You can lump them together to form regions but they are essentially a few little countries stitched together.
I don’t challenge that point, all I mean is that I have no idea how this is going to work, meaning details of that. Europe is united already, isn’t it? With the exception of the Russian puppets like Orban or Fico. That’s why I see little actual difference. The EU is already the superpower, isn’t it?
No. Unlike the US or China, the EU is made up of very different countries. Some things can’t be fixed easily (i.e. different languages) but others can and should be (single military, unified laws, etc.)
I think this is too easy to say. We can create our own federal system, thqt makes all countries have a vote. But ofc, the biggest communities/populations should count for more. I mean, wouldn’t be fair to compare 6 million People voting power (denmark) to 80mil+ germany.
I seriously don’t see this as a problem. We have to be democratic about this, and trust the process.
What do you Mean? It won’t work without federalisation. With a federal EU, we would have a united military force, united economics, united international politics. Actually having a say in the global world as it is changing/collapsing. This is what canada, Mexico and australia is envy at us right now… We have the chance to be a 3rd superpower, instead of 27 sepperate nations, competing on who can suck trumps Dick the most.
I’m not quite sure where a federation would differ from what we already have? Would it be a unified codex of laws? Unified economy? Unified military?
I’m not convinced unified laws will ever work due to cultural and environmental differences. e.g. Sweden isn’t necessarily going to agree to Italy’s ideas on trafic laws, or incarceration methos.
If it’s a unified economy, how do we differentiate between the different needs? Do we all adobt Poland’s health care system? If we don’t, and just continues doing healthcare however we want, is it fair if Belgium needs more money per person for healthcare then Spain in the unified economy?
I can sorta see a unified military work, but that might very well just be because a complete lack of knowledge, and there may be some big differences around.
I think we are still way too different in culture to just accept anything more than what we have right now. It would just lead to massive divides like we see in USA, where massive cultural differences and differences in values are literally tearing the country apart.
That’s precisely what I meant. Thanks for putting that in words!
They want what the US has. Each state has their own laws for things like traffic and healthcare, and the federal government is supposed to deal with issues that affect multiple or every state, like common defence and interstate commerce.
The US is a bunch of murican states glued together.
The EU is a bunch of very different countries glued together.
We are not the same.
I don’t know if you are American, but the states are very different, economically and culturally. You can lump them together to form regions but they are essentially a few little countries stitched together.
Yiu think the current veto system works?
I don’t challenge that point, all I mean is that I have no idea how this is going to work, meaning details of that. Europe is united already, isn’t it? With the exception of the Russian puppets like Orban or Fico. That’s why I see little actual difference. The EU is already the superpower, isn’t it?
No. Unlike the US or China, the EU is made up of very different countries. Some things can’t be fixed easily (i.e. different languages) but others can and should be (single military, unified laws, etc.)
Even more centralized control by France and Germany. No thanks.
Nothing against better cooperation though.
I think this is too easy to say. We can create our own federal system, thqt makes all countries have a vote. But ofc, the biggest communities/populations should count for more. I mean, wouldn’t be fair to compare 6 million People voting power (denmark) to 80mil+ germany. I seriously don’t see this as a problem. We have to be democratic about this, and trust the process.
Screwing over the smaller ones.
No thanks.
I’m kinda curious, why not?